Shadowdancer's Hide in plain Sight

[Darkness]

So you concede that you don't know how it works and that your theory entirely depends on a dubious technicality that's not supported by the rest of the text.

 

[Tyrol]

So you concede that you don't know how it works.

PROVIDED the end result is a shadowdancer hiding in shadows, yes.
Because that is what is written.

The text does not explicitly explain how, much like other things in D&D it is left to the imagination of the DM and players (part of what makes D&D fun!). It is extremely easy to imagine how it works. I could easily describe how I personally picture it, but it is up to each person who reads it (or their DM) to use their imagination to determine exactly how it works - as long as they do not ignore what is written. Unless you are refuting my point that the text clearly implies a shadowdancer hides in shadows, your point is moot.

 

[Darkness]

So you admit that only a dubious (mis)interpretation "supports" your theory.

 

[Tyrol]

So you concede that you don't know how it works and that your theory entirely depends on a dubious technicality that's not supported by the rest of the text.

Hide in Plain Sight (Su): A shadowdancer can use the Hide skill even while being observed. As long as she is within 10 feet of some sort of shadow, a shadowdancer can hide herself from view in the open without anything to actually hide behind. She cannot, however, hide in her own shadow.

The above quote of the SRD/DMG is in no way dubious - defined as fraught with uncertainty or doubt.

In spite of your claim that it is not, it is also indeed supported - and there are many definitions of support; here are three: 1. To endure; tolerate . . . 2. to keep from weakening or failing. . . 3. To act in a secondary or subordinate role.

The statement prior to the key statement says "As long as she is within 10 feet of some sort of shadow, a shadowdancer can hide herself from view in the open without anything to actually hide behind."

Answer me this: if she was hiding IN the shadows (as the very next statement more than suggests), she would logically need to be in relative close proximity to the shadow, correct?

And... To be within 10 feet of something is relative close proximity, yes?

Then clearly this does not contradict the implied fact that the shadowdancer ends up somehow hiding in a shadow - in accordance with the next sentence - and therefore does not weaken or cause the statement to fail. It may not specifically strengthen, but it certainly does not weaken. Additionally, by not contradicting the following sentence, it both tolerates and endures it. And as the following statement is much stronger than the first, the first is secondary or subordinate in nature. All three signs of support.
Ergo, it is not a dubious technicality. It is not fraught with uncertainty or doubt.

Now, if you incorrectly conclude that the shadowdancer does not hide in a shadow, the very next statement mose certainly does weaken your incorrect conclusion, and thus casts this incorrect conclusion as dubious.

Unless there is Errata that says otherwise, I honestly don't see how anyone versed in English could logically conclude that the weaker argument overrules the stronger.

 

[RigaMortus]

Hide in Plain Sight (Su): A shadowdancer can use the Hide skill even while being observed. As long as she is within 10 feet of some sort of shadow, a shadowdancer can hide herself from view in the open without anything to actually hide behind. She cannot, however, hide in her own shadow.

Since it says "she" I assume this only applies to female Shadowdancers?

Also, "she" should be able to hide in a shadow of a cloak "she" is wearing, correct? The cloak is making the shadow, not the shadowdancer. It's not like the shadowdancer is hiding in the shadow of her arm, or body, or head...

 

[Darkness]

Answer me this: if she was hiding IN the shadows (as the very next statement more than suggests), she would logically need to be in relative close proximity to the shadow, correct?

Ah, another logical fallacy: "A policeman needs to meet certain physical standards. Thus, if you meet the physical standards, it follows that you are a policeman."
I told you had nothing.

And you still haven't given an explanation why she only needs to be within 10' of a shadow, rather than inside the shadow, if she's supposed to be hiding in it. No cop-outs this time, please.

Do you think the shadows reach out to engulf her?
Do you think she moves / is transported into the shadows?
If not, what in text makes you think she's hiding in the shadows? A small part of a sentence that apparently can be twisted however you want?

 

[Storyteller01]

Haven't read the whole thread, but my twp pesos...


From what I've read, rumors I've heard, etc, the art of HiPS tends to work by manipulating a persons natural blind spots. Behind them is the most obvious, but I've heard of folks (legends mind you) actually using the natural hole in your vision to 'hide' in. If I'm correct, it has to do with a blind spot created by the optic nerve/retina connection. You don't see it because your mind automatically fills it in (kind of like a Clone Stamp tool).

Couldn't a Shadowdancer get a target to focus on the shadow, then hide in this blind spot? It would need a supernatural level of precision...