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Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings

Retreater

Legend
I still haven't seen Black Widow. I think the Endgame was a good time for me to get off the superhero movie treadmill. Unless one seems independently compelling to watch, I'll probably pass. I'm tired of watching movies that seem to exist just to hype future movies.
 

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Lidgar

Hero
But yeah, when the Ten Rings rolled up on a village of martial artists and did not immediately unload with machine guns, I sighed and reminded myself to suspend my disbelief.
Ending was hot mess...
Yep. While I liked it overall, the ending was pretty clunky in many spots - felt forced too. But hey, its a superhero movie, so I just (try to) let all that go. Characters were very likable, even the "villains" - came much more positive about this phase of the MCU.
 

FitzTheRuke

Legend
I still haven't seen Black Widow. I think the Endgame was a good time for me to get off the superhero movie treadmill. Unless one seems independently compelling to watch, I'll probably pass. I'm tired of watching movies that seem to exist just to hype future movies.

Then you'd probably like Shang Chi. Just skip the post-credit scenes (the only thing that sets up more MCU).
 

Stalker0

Legend
The road outside was actually a big trampoline, so they all landed okay. Or else they had parachutes. Or catlike reflexes to handle falls like a champ.

But yeah, when the Ten Rings rolled up on a village of martial artists and did not immediately unload with machine guns, I sighed and reminded myself to suspend my disbelief.
in my head canon, i went with the notion that this was Wenru’s last bit of mercy. He intended to capture the villagers alive (for the most part obviously there are casualties in battle), and so had his men use non lethal weapons.

Option 2, he believes the dragon armor they wear is bullet proof and so relies on energy weapons.

Do either of these REALLY make sense? No, but it was enough for me:)


like many movies, I could pick apart Sheng Chi if I wanted to. But what I liked about the movie is I didn’t want to, I wanted the ride. That is stark contrast to Black Widow where I got bored and the movie didn’t really jive with me, and so I started picking it apart in my head
 

FitzTheRuke

Legend
I can't believe I didn't notice that (the non-lethal weapons for the 10 Rings flunkies) before. I like to think about what movies show you vs what they tell you and see how it changes the story. Sometimes it changes things drastically.

This goes to explain some critiques that I've heard "Why did Wenwu send his mooks to kill Shang-Chi if he wanted to reunite his family/" (A: Obviously he didn't. He sent them to remind Shaun who he really was.)
 

in my head canon, i went with the notion that this was Wenru’s last bit of mercy. He intended to capture the villagers alive (for the most part obviously there are casualties in battle), and so had his men use non lethal weapons.
That could have actually worked. When he gives the order to Saberfist to get ready, he looks past his minion and sees some mooks starting to mount a machine gun atop a jeep, so he adds, "My children are still there. Nonlethal weapons. My wife's people are just peasants, after all. We take prisoners, and once I free my wife, I shall let her decide their fate."
 

Staffan

Legend
I was a bit disappointed with the actual rings. In the comics, the ten rings are the Mandarin's weapons, and each of them have their own powers (e.g. flame projection, mind control, light, darkness, matter rearranging, etc.). These rings just project force and stuff, which is pretty dull all things considered.

I mean, I get why they don't use the classical Mandarin (because it's a horribly racist caricature of a character), but I think the rings suffered as a result.
 

FitzTheRuke

Legend
I was a bit disappointed with the actual rings. In the comics, the ten rings are the Mandarin's weapons, and each of them have their own powers (e.g. flame projection, mind control, light, darkness, matter rearranging, etc.). These rings just project force and stuff, which is pretty dull all things considered.

I mean, I get why they don't use the classical Mandarin (because it's a horribly racist caricature of a character), but I think the rings suffered as a result.
I liked what they did with the rings. The trouble with doing them like the comics is, they'd be very similar to the Infinity Stones. Each a different colour, each controlling a different "element" (one's even a mind-control ring, like the mind stone). This is MUCH more kung-fu.
 

I liked what they did with the rings. The trouble with doing them like the comics is, they'd be very similar to the Infinity Stones. Each a different colour, each controlling a different "element" (one's even a mind-control ring, like the mind stone). This is MUCH more kung-fu.

Agree 100%
 

DeviousQuail

Adventurer
It was a good movie and very different from other Marvel films. Some of the story beats were clunky but the cast was mostly great. A solid middle tier MCU movie. If there was one thing I would change
the end of the Macau scene. Their father should have kicked their butts to show off his power and how far Shang-chi and Xuliang are from being on his level. A quick and one-sided fight where they don't work together and give up so he can take them home. It would've made Katy's line about their father being scary land better.
 

I haven't seen it yet, but I find myself wishing that they'd quit doing those big CG-Laden "Final Battle" scenes. I know that they are expected but who cares?

Well, as you mention yourself, people who go to see superhero movies. Honestly, if there's one genre which damn near demands heavy special effects investment, its the superhero genre.
 

FitzTheRuke

Legend
Well, as you mention yourself, people who go to see superhero movies. Honestly, if there's one genre which damn near demands heavy special effects investment, its the superhero genre.
Sure, sure, but they don't always have to end the thing with a giant CG battle. I can think of a few movies (Wonder Woman and Black Widow in particular, but others as well) which would have been better without, or at least with a significantly toned-down version of their final CG-laden battle. Sometimes more story or character and less flash and fight would serve the piece much better. It really doesn't matter if it's Superhero or any other kind of Action or Sci-Fi. IMO people have weird, somewhat dismissive expectations of Superhero stuff that the sub-genre really doesn't deserve.
 

Sure, sure, but they don't always have to end the thing with a giant CG battle. I can think of a few movies (Wonder Woman and Black Widow in particular, but others as well) which would have been better without, or at least with a significantly toned-down version of their final CG-laden battle. Sometimes more story or character and less flash and fight would serve the piece much better. It really doesn't matter if it's Superhero or any other kind of Action or Sci-Fi. IMO people have weird, somewhat dismissive expectations of Superhero stuff that the sub-genre really doesn't deserve.

You might have an argument regarding pacing. That said, its easy for a movie with an action focus, which pretty much every superhero story is liable to have, to sag at the end if you place its setpieces earlier, so I think there's a damned if you do, damned if you don't element here.
 


Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
Someone I know rented an entire theater for a showing with about a dozen people today, so I got to see it on the big screen. It was awesome!

Saw this the other day and really enjoyed it. Tony Leung does a great job, but the whole cast was excellent. Definitely a vastly different take on Shang-Chi from the Master of Kung-Fu comics I used to read back in the day; they were more James Bond-ian affairs, IIRC.

Yes, but they are probably putting Iron Fist out to pasture in the MCU, and have now positioned Shang-Chi to take that role. The whole "heart of the dragon" thing makes that pretty plain.
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
I can't believe I didn't notice that (the non-lethal weapons for the 10 Rings flunkies) before. I like to think about what movies show you vs what they tell you and see how it changes the story.

I have been told it is actually a cultural point. He repeatedly notes that he is going to "burn the village to the ground". He does not say that he's going to kill them all. Burning the village while the defeated villagers watch is a culturally relevant note.

Also, there's a point about his origins - the guy is a thousand years old. So, his minions use things that are reminiscent of his original culture - updated crossbows and Asian weaponry. Machine guns are... very European.

This goes to explain some critiques that I've heard "Why did Wenwu send his mooks to kill Shang-Chi if he wanted to reunite his family/" (A: Obviously he didn't. He sent them to remind Shaun who he really was.)

Well, yeah, he says as much. People are questioning that? Plus, if his men weren't actually trying to kill, then he'd not have even given his son a good workout.
 

FitzTheRuke

Legend
I have been told it is actually a cultural point. He repeatedly notes that he is going to "burn the village to the ground". He does not say that he's going to kill them all. Burning the village while the defeated villagers watch is a culturally relevant note.
Interesting!

Also, there's a point about his origins - the guy is a thousand years old. So, his minions use things that are reminiscent of his original culture - updated crossbows and Asian weaponry. Machine guns are... very European.
Yeah, I prefer archaic weapons myself. I can see someone who's spent a thousand years participating in war seeing modern weapons as gauche. I mean, he's not stupid, I'm sure he understands how useful and powerful they are, but the old ways require more from the user. Maybe once they get good enough with staff weapons, they move on to blades, and eventually are allowed to use guns (but often won't bother by then). I dunno. There's more world-building that could be done - goes to show how good the world building was that I'd like to see more!

Well, yeah, he says as much. People are questioning that? Plus, if his men weren't actually trying to kill, then he'd not have even given his son a good workout.
Yeah, I read some complaints/nitpicks. I agree with you though.
 

Rabulias

Legend
Yes, but they are probably putting Iron Fist out to pasture in the MCU, and have now positioned Shang-Chi to take that role. The whole "heart of the dragon" thing makes that pretty plain.
Uh, ok. Not sure how you got Iron Fist involved from my post; the Master of Kung-Fu comics were about Shang-Chi. Even Iron Fist was pretty "street level" in the comics, and was rarely (if ever) hobnobbing with the Avengers or Captain Marvel.
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
Uh, ok. Not sure how you got Iron Fist involved from my post; the Master of Kung-Fu comics were about Shang-Chi.

You said, "...they were more a James Bond affair." I was responding with one reason why the MCU version isn't.

Even Iron Fist was pretty "street level" in the comics, and was rarely (if ever) hobnobbing with the Avengers or Captain Marvel.

He chose to take on street-level issues while hanging out with Luke Cage, sure. But then, in Secret Invasion, he downed a SHIELD helicarrier with a single punch.

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So, sure, street level.
 


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