Share Spells & cure (for familiars and animal companions)

[Hypersmurf]

Again, this poses an instant communication paradox, and is almost certainly unintentional.

What paradox? It's magic - Sending and Teleport and Plane Shift exist.

Although it's only part of the initial overview, and then only part of the phrase listing area effect dispel, dispel's ability "to end ongoing spells (or at least their effects) within an area"...

Right. Dispel on a creature? End an ongoing spell. Dispel overlapping an area? End some effects of a spell.

So what can Dispel Magic do? End an ongoing spell (or at least its effects).

Mass haste isn't in 3.5.

True. eamon's Mass Bear's Endurance works for an example.

-Hyp.

 

[eamon]

Mass haste isn't in 3.5.

True, but 3.5 Haste itself is already a spell targeting multiple creatures, so it's not a significant difference in this context.

Would and antimagic field suppress Haste for all subjects if one is in the antimagic field?

 

[Hypersmurf]

True, but 3.5 Haste itself is already a spell targeting multiple creatures, so it's not a significant difference in this context.

Would and antimagic field suppress Haste for all subjects if one is in the antimagic field?

As you noted above, a spell with multiple targets doesn't really have a point of origin. So it is possible to bring 'the spell' within the field? Or only the magical effect?

Haste is the example used in AMF, and it says that a hasted creature is not hasted in the field, but it resumes once he leaves. It sounds like the magical effect, rather than the entire spell, is what is being suppressed in the case of haste. The field suppresses the functioning of any spell within its confines, but doesn't appear to affect the functioning outside the confines.

Interestingly, AMF has no language regarding area spells and points of origin. If we intersect a minor portion of a Desecrate, the Desecrate's functioning is suppressed within the field's confines. If we intersect the point of origin, does the entire desecrate shut down, since the source of emanation is suppressed? Or does the periphery of the Desecrate continue to function? If we consider AMF to block line of effect, the whole spell should shut down (since its entire area is either suppressed, or has no line of effect to the point of origin). If we consider it to be transparent to line of effect like a Globe of Invulnerability, then the absence of any note about point of origin means the remainder of the spell should continue to function.

Edit - ah, wait, Rules Compendium covers it. And manages to throw my logic out the window in so doing: AMF does not block line of effect, but if the point of origin is included, the entire spell is suppressed

-Hyp.

 

[eamon]

Edit - ah, wait, Rules Compendium covers it. And manages to throw my logic out the window in so doing: AMF does not block line of effect, but if the point of origin is included, the entire spell is suppressed

That's not exactly an indictment of your reasoning though - I get the impression that if more than a few deductions are necessary to determine the impact of the rules (or, conversely, to find the appropriate rules for a given situation), the system breaks down: it's just not precise enough about effect, lines of effect, points of origin and various such concepts to use meaningfully.

 

[Wolfwood2]

The bit on curing has to be split helps take a bit away from the druid, but saying stat buffs have to be split feels excessive. Especially since share spells stops working if the two are ever more than 5 feet apart, which happens as soon as one of them moves.

Most DMs will allow the two of them to move simultaneously, as long as the one with the higher initiative delays to the one with the lower initiative. Though impossible strictly speaking by the turn-based way D&D combat operates, it strains credibility to believe that it's impossible for two creature to move together, staying within 5 feet of each other the entire time.

 

[moritheil]

Of course, some druids ride on their animal companion, which takes care of that.

 

[eamon]

Of course, some druids ride on their animal companion, which takes care of that.

That's a very clear-cut solution indeed. It's just a little crazy that it would be needed.