D&D (2024) Should 2014 Half Elves and Half Orcs be added to the 2025 SRD?

[Maxperson]

Really? Many tables? How did you arrive at that number since currently EVERY table is allowing material from between 2014 and 2024 rules. Maybe if you would only talk about YOUR table and not try to speak for other people, this conversation would be a lot more productive.

You do realize that there have been 6 other editions if you count 3.5 as separate, right? It's well known, personally experienced, and seen lots of DM posts here about it, that a lot of DMs limit what can be used to books of the edition that they are running only. And as I said, a number also limit it to the core three.

I arrived at the "number" many, because it's factual.

Anyone else ever notice how all these "problems" seem to be happening at these tables that no one is actually playing at?

How is a limit on what can be used in a game a problem?

How it's always this nebulous "they" and "many" and "of course" presumptions of how other people play the game that seem to be causing all the problems?

First, it's not a presumption. It's fact. Second, since you need a specific number for some reason, I'll fabricate one rather than just give you the truth. There are 93,614 tables that engage in the practice.

People use "many" for things like this because lots of tables do it, but we don't have exact numbers.

 

[Maxperson]

So if I use any 3pp material (such as monsters from TotV)!I am not running a 2024 game either? Only officially sanctioned products count?

That's not what I said.

 

[Maxperson]

If you wish to play Dungeons & Dragons strictly as a board game and don't care about the fiction that is generated by the playing, that's fine. But that is not in any way how Wizards of the Coast sees this game. Everything in this game is designed with story in mind... that's why all these numbers have these fantasy nouns and adjectives on top of them... to create a story out of their use. Thus for them (and a lot of us)... "outside the fiction" is is a phrase that might as well not even exist, because the entire point of playing an RPG as opposed to a board game is to create a fiction. This is why we name our D&D character but don't name our train developer "identity" when playing Ticket To Ride. Because they are two different types of games.

If that's your takeaway from what I have been saying, you have only been reading to respond, not to understand. There's not much point to continuing to discuss this with someone who isn't bothering to read to understand what I am saying. I can get more accurate responses talking to my office walls.

 

[Maxperson]

This:
To describe it more generally, being of a particular race establishes fictional position that matters to resolution, but doesn't itself need mechanical modelling/expression.

Er, that IS mechanical modeling. Advantage is a mechanic and he's using it to model racial abilities. It's just not formalized is all.

 

[Maxperson]

Technically? Yes, I think so. Not that that fact has any practical value at your table.

Nah. If the core is 5.5e, it's a 5.5e game. Using 3pp doesn't change that. It does make it not a 5.5e RAW game, though, since none of the 3pp are official 5.5e RAW. Not that there's anything wrong with running a game that isn't purely RAW.

Edit: That said, if you are using 5e rules you are not running a 5.5e game, you are running a 5e/5.5e hybrid game. The core books determine the game used and using multiple core books keeps changes the edition used.

 

[Crimson Longinus]

This:
To describe it more generally, being of a particular race establishes fictional position that matters to resolution, but doesn't itself need mechanical modelling/expression.

It is still mechanical modelling, but more importantly, logically the exact same thing would apply even if we were just talking about human cultures, so none of this communicates "different species."

 

[Remathilis]

That's not what I said.

Doesn't matter. It's not made for 2024 so it's not 2024. I see no difference in using a 3pp character option and a 2014 character option in 2024.

 

[Crimson Longinus]

I mean, it is pretty weird counter to the complaint that something isn't in 2024 edition that it is in 2014 edition. Like duh!

 

[Maxperson]

Doesn't matter.

Yes it does. If you are incorrectly portraying what I said, it's a problem. What you attributed to me wasn't what I said.

It's not made for 2024 so it's not 2024. I see no difference in using a 3pp character option and a 2014 character option in 2024.

There is a real difference between official rules and editions and unofficial 3pp. You really can't see that difference?

 

[Remathilis]

Edit: That said, if you are using 5e rules you are not running a 5.5e game, you are running a 5e/5.5e hybrid game. The core books determine the game used and using multiple core books keeps changes the edition used.

Pure Nonsense. My astral elf lunar sorcerer is using all the 2024 rules. They are only use species and subclass options from supplement books that predate 2024. That is no different than using a Tales of the Valiant option or a Level Up option with my 2024 book. If you're going to ascribe purity tests that say using 2014 options in 2024 no longer makes it "5.5", you have to say using any 3pp not specifically made for the 2024 books does too, and that includes all 3pp not designed for explicit compatibility.