D&D 5E Should D&D 5e have Epic Levels?

[dave2008]

I like that, and the wider level ranges are probably better for separating the greater gods from mortals.

I like "Elder Gods" in the hierarchy, btw. One way to envision this is via the scope of their power and influence:

Mortal - terrestrial, mortal
Demigod - local
Lesser God - regional/cultural
Intermediate God - national/continental
Greater God - planetary
Elder God - solar system
Overgod - galaxy
Allgod - universe
The One - multiverse

Or something like that. Doesn't quite work, but the basic idea is what I'm trying to get across.

Not the exact scale I use, but similar. I also actually have 2 levels above Over god as well. But gods / PCs can reach them.

 

[dave2008]

I think “Epic” gameplay can and should be an additional optional layer that can be added to the game at any level.

It is semantics, but I would call that "mythic" or "legendary" game play and not epic. The concept is similar to the "mythic" rules for PF1. Epic to me for beyond mortal games. Which to me means beyond lvl 20.

 

[dave2008]

If it gets to the point where I think it's developed enough to be published, I will do so.

The big problem with that is having enough foes to fight and adventures to undertake. Lvl 20 PCs can already take on CR 30 monsters, so it takes some work to challenge them.

 

[Levistus's_Leviathan]

The big problem with that is having enough foes to fight and adventures to undertake. Lvl 20 PCs can already take on CR 30 monsters, so it takes some work to challenge them.

Yes, I will have to make stats for some gods and powerful NPCs. I have semi-lain out a system for CRs up to 50.

 

[pogre]

I'm all for Epic options. I don't think it will happen. Heck , we barely have any official support for 16-20. Apparently, all D&D campaigns at WOTC HQ end at level 15.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

It is semantics, but I would call that "mythic" or "legendary" game play and not epic. The concept is similar to the "mythic" rules for PF1. Epic to me for beyond mortal games. Which to me means beyond lvl 20.

I get that, but to me, I don't even want levels 15-20 to be as epic as they are. I want to be able to play a fairly normal person all the way to 20, or play a beyond mortal demi-god for 20 levels.

 

[Minigiant]

More I think about it,the more I'd like 4E epic destinies to return.

• Proficiency modifier goes up to +8
• 2 Ability score adjustments
• 3-4 destiny features that aren't tied to class
• "Immortality?

 

[Xenonnonex]

Epic boons are there. Would want more to do with those.

Problem. Is that Wizards is not vested in high level play. That. Would need to change first.

 

[dave2008]

I get that, but to me, I don't even want levels 15-20 to be as epic as they are. I want to be able to play a fairly normal person all the way to 20, or play a beyond mortal demi-god for 20 levels.

What does that mean? I mean why not just play to lvl 10 or something if you want to play a normal person. What does level have to do with it? It took my players about 4 years (10 years game time) to get to level 10, so I know you can play a long, thorough, and fulfilling campaign at low to mid levels. If you want to go the demi-god route, look at Theros did it with supernatural gifts or grab them from the DMG and, boom, you have a little demi-god boost at level one and 20 levels to build on that.

However, none of those are epic player options were are talking about in this thread.

 

[dave2008]

More I think about it,the more I'd like 4E epic destinies to return.

• Proficiency modifier goes up to +8
• 2 Ability score adjustments
• 3-4 destiny features that aren't tied to class
• "Immortality?

Didn't 4e provide an epic destiny for each class or am I misremembering?