D&D 5E (2014) Should the Fighter's "Second Wind" ability grant temporary HP instead of regular HP?

[Obryn]

A lot of great ideas, but sadly none of them are in the PHB or DMG.

Funny, I've never let that stop me?

 

[Emerikol]

If they had seriously tried to address my playstyle and failed I'd be far more willing to houserule.

I don't want any second wind even one that is temp hit points. I might have interpreted a temp hit point rule as them trying if they also covered swapping out HD for something more like old school hit points in the DMG.

Personally I really like old school hit points. I don't need a wounds module. I just need slow natural recovery and magic only heals fast. It's always worked for me.

I do not think that the martial camp is small. I believe though that the devs are confusing a.desire for slow healing with an antipathy towards martial healing. It may be that they believe SW being self healing is more acceptable than another PC shouting you back up. They did run away from the warlord at high speed.

So I do believe they know there is a major problem. They just don't fully understand why. Mike Mearls has said that the playerbase is split on healing.

I also do not for a second think that the internal playtesters have no bias. They are fanboys who likely at least tolerated 4e. If they hated 4e and railed against it I doubt they'd have been asked.

No matter what is said if the game itself offers a path via options to play the traditional hit point way then I'll likely buy. I am at the moment taking them at their word as that is all I have. As such I'm not buying. In fact I'm boycotting wotc completely.

 

[GMforPowergamers]

No matter what is said if the game itself offers a path via options to play the traditional hit point way then I'll likely buy. I am at the moment taking them at their word as that is all I have. As such I'm not buying. In fact I'm boycotting wotc completely.

So just to check, if there was a mod, or set of mods that did that, this whole argument could end?


Exp: A mod rule that says that all healing is less effective, or only works when not bloodied, or the wound vitality system...

 

[thalmin]

I also do not for a second think that the internal playtesters have no bias. They are fanboys who likely at least tolerated 4e. If they hated 4e and railed against it I doubt they'd have been asked.

No matter what is said if the game itself offers a path via options to play the traditional hit point way then I'll likely buy. I am at the moment taking them at their word as that is all I have. As such I'm not buying. In fact I'm boycotting wotc completely.

I cannot speak for the for internal playtesters, but they have continued to use outside alpha playtesters as well. In my group of 7, we range from "it wasn't that bad, 4E had a number of good points, but was still the worst edition" to "I'll never play 4E again." Most are closer to the latter. A couple strongly prefer Pathfinder. Hardly a bunch of fanboys, or fangirl, here.

As to your boycott, you must either know a lot more about the final rules than most of the rest of us, or just have a powerful hate for WotC. I wish you would reserve judgement at least until the PHB releases when we can see the majority of the game, but you should do what you must. Hope to see you around.

 

[Emerikol]

The following...
1. A set of options that completely eliminates all martial healing besides a slow natural recovery rate.
2. I guess it could use HD but it would be daily only and like one HD.
3. Second Wind would need a replacement. This is included in 1 but I'm adding it here for clarity.

 

[Hussar]

Emerikol, a suggestion if I may? If you do decide that 5e is not for you, please don't turn into one of those posters that insists on telling all and sundry how if only wotc hadn't fired you as a customer you'd still be playing. Stick to talking about the games you do play instead of kvetching about the ones you don't.

 

[Remathilis]

If they had seriously tried to address my playstyle and failed I'd be far more willing to houserule..

Translation: If WotC had done what I wanted, I would be far more willing to fix it?!?

II don't want any second wind even one that is temp hit points. I might have interpreted a temp hit point rule as them trying if they also covered swapping out HD for something more like old school hit points in the DMG. .

At least a dozen people have given you suggestions, ranging from Temp HP, swapping it out for Toughness, or just bloody NOT giving fighter's anything at first level. Yet you keep waving the bloody shirt hoping to convince WotC to recall ALL the printed PHBs to fix your silly corner-case complaint.

IPersonally I really like old school hit points. I don't need a wounds module. I just need slow natural recovery and magic only heals fast. It's always worked for me..

Guess what? I still does. You have to fix ONE CLASS ABILITY and remove HD. THIS ISN'T THE SAME AS HEALING SURGES, which were ingrained into the basic healing system. Cure Wounds works without HD. Potions of Healing work without HD. You have to fix TWO things, not rewrite the whole healing subsystem.

II do not think that the martial camp is small. I believe though that the devs are confusing a.desire for slow healing with an antipathy towards martial healing. It may be that they believe SW being self healing is more acceptable than another PC shouting you back up. They did run away from the warlord at high speed..

The People who want no alignment is not small. The people who want a classless system (or just four generic classes) is not small. Guess what? Nobodies personal crusade is small to them.

And yes, there is a difference between a power that has a physical manifestation (shouting healing of a warlord) and the invisible free hp of a fighter. YMMV.

ISo I do believe they know there is a major problem. They just don't fully understand why. Mike Mearls has said that the playerbase is split on healing. .

1.) People did not like healing tied to surges which always heal 1/4 of your hp. This is gone.
2.) People did not like martial characters healing others. This is gone.
3.) People DID like characters being able to recover a small amount of healing themselves. This was included.

And they have attempted to cater to those who want slower recovery (via the DMG) along with the default fast heal. What they haven't done is cater to the "Nomartialhealingevernotevenalittle1hpperday" crowd.

And if we want to compare anecdotal evidence, I've played D&D with several groups from 1994 to today. Never had ONE of them that didn't handwave "hp back to full". So there.

II also do not for a second think that the internal playtesters have no bias. They are fanboys who likely at least tolerated 4e. If they hated 4e and railed against it I doubt they'd have been asked..

Its a conspiracy! The 4e crowd is silently poisoning the water! Quick, put on your tinfoil hat before they beam mind bullets into your head and make you want to roll up a dragonborn!

INo matter what is said if the game itself offers a path via options to play the traditional hit point way then I'll likely buy. I am at the moment taking them at their word as that is all I have. As such I'm not buying. In fact I'm boycotting wotc completely.

It does. HP is in the game. Cure spells are in the game. Cut the parts you don't want. How hard is that? And hey, lets make all these decisions before the PHB, much less DMG is out.

And I'm sure Mearls will cry into his cornflakes because Emerikol didn't buy 5e! Oh, the humanity.

 

[JRRNeiklot]

[wiki] And I'm sure Mearls will cry into his cornflakes because Emerikol didn't buy 5e! Oh, the humanity.[/wiki]

[wiki] He will, because Emerikol is FAR from alone.[/wiki]

 

[Tony Semana]

At least a dozen people have given you suggestions <snip> Yet you keep waving the bloody shirt hoping to convince WotC to recall ALL the printed PHBs to fix your silly corner-case complaint.

You have to fix TWO things, not rewrite the whole healing subsystem.

What they haven't done is cater to the "Nomartialhealingevernotevenalittle1hpperday" crowd.

And if we want to compare anecdotal evidence, I've played D&D with several groups from 1994 to today. Never had ONE of them that didn't handwave "hp back to full". So there.

It does. HP is in the game. Cure spells are in the game. Cut the parts you don't want. How hard is that? And hey, lets make all these decisions before the PHB, much less DMG is out.

And I'm sure Mearls will cry into his cornflakes because Emerikol didn't buy 5e! Oh, the humanity.

AARGH!! Can't XP Remathilis, have to spread it around! Some else do it!

 

[Remathilis]

He will, because Emerikol is FAR from alone.

I'm sure there are plenty of one-issue voters who won't buy it for a multitude of reasons. I'm sure there are plenty who will buy it. At the risk of Mistoprophecizing, I think the latter will outnumber the former. Time will tell.