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D&D 5E Should WotC Keep the Love Domain as is?

Should WotC Keep the Love Domain as is?

  • Yes including name

    Votes: 20 27.8%
  • No, the mechanics are creep period

    Votes: 24 33.3%
  • Yes, but rename it (possible examples Passion/Lust/Emotion/Charm Domain)

    Votes: 28 38.9%

dave2008

Legend
to clarify, Aphrodite was not a patron of love by any modern usage of the term. She was a goddess of lust, desire, maybe obsession, etc, but love as most modern people (and thus players) understand it? Not at all.
Actually that is not entirely true. She covered lust and "higher" love in various incarnations (see Aphrodite). Heck, she even covered some war / warrior traits in some incarnations. We tend to want to be so reductive, but really the idea of what a deity represented was fluid and had many aspects / layers / viewpoints / traditions that made it up
 

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dave2008

Legend
@gyor , I couldn't take the poll as you need nor options, as noted by others.

Love Domain is fine IMO, but needs some revisions to the mechanics, and...

The original version posted was mostly fine with a name change.
 

dave2008

Legend
Never said Zeus was her husband only that he was running around cheating on his marriage. He's also not Aphrodite's father, she was born from the blood of Ouranos when it fell into the ocean, she's older than Zeus. Though admittedly there could be a myth I'm unaware of that claims her as Zeus's daughter.
There are a least to origins of Aphrodite's birth, one of which is Zeus as her father and Dione as her mother, see Aphrodite
 

I think that's actually a pretty good way to put it.

The evil cleric/deity would of course insist that any other conception of love was just self-deception, and that all love is obsession and selfish and the desire to possess and there wasn't really anything else. They would insist marriage is fundamentally just prostitution, that partners always love someone only in so much as that person makes them happy, and that of course is right and good. They would further suggest that love is never an equal relationship, that some partner is always giving and another taking, and so forth. And that anyone that romanticized love as anything else was either kidding themselves or just being cozened into the less dominate position. Love is transient. Love is demanding. Love is painful, and that is what love is.

 





Celebrim

Legend
@vincegetorix: Eros is the emotion one experiences upon observing beauty. It is frequently translated as 'love' but would be better translated as 'desire', 'lust', or 'ardor'. Aphrodite was not the goddess of 'love' in any sense that in English we'd tend to think of as love (even arguably romantic love), but the goddess of beauty, desire, and passion. To the Greeks, when one observed beauty, one was filled with passion - eros - to posses the thing. It is not actually a pretty word, because the Greeks rather admired the ability to take and posses something regardless of the obstacles put in the way of doing so. That is to say, they had an actual rape culture, and celebrated rapists as the very ideal of a man.

I suspect that had the domain been named Beauty, it wouldn't have inspired as great of a backlash, or at least not a backlash that made anyone feel that they were at risk of negative press in the marketplace. If it had been named Eros it would have been rather more on point, but likely to have been controversial.

But it might be nice to have inspired a bit of introspection about the alignment of Eros, and perhaps not slap every deity of Eros with a CG label unthinkingly. It ain't "love" folks, and since it isn't love, it tends to have some rather not nice consequences.

The Unity domain is neither a replacement for the original Love domain nor does it occupy the same philosophical space. It seems more likely that there was a stack of potential domains under development, and at the last moment they switched out one that they felt was less controversial for the Love domain, and sent the Love domain back for further refinement. I'll be interested to see if they tackle the subject again, because Eros - much more so than Love - tends be a conceptual space occupied by lot of personified figures in polytheism.
 

dave2008

Legend
@vincegetorix: Eros is the emotion one experiences upon observing beauty. It is frequently translated as 'love' but would be better translated as 'desire', 'lust', or 'ardor'. Aphrodite was not the goddess of 'love' in any sense that in English we'd tend to think of as love (even arguably romantic love), but the goddess of beauty, desire, and passion.
As I have stated before a couple times on this topic in the past 24 hours: that is not entirely true. Aphrodite represented more than eros (as you put it), including "higher" love and even war. Religion / Mythology is a complex, convoluted, and changing thing, check it out: Aphrodite
 

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