D&D (2024) So IS it a new edition?

[Snarf Zagyg]

Sure. And then we'll be stuck with 6e's flaws.

 

[Oofta]

I think there are inherit and deep flaws with 5e that many or even the majority of 5e players and DMs believe are there. It is only tolerated because they like most of the mechanics, their old material, their friends like it, it is actively supported, and is popular.

However there's a reason why there are so many 5e clones of the PHB, MM, and DMG.

No one cares about 5e's flaws and then suddenly everybody cares. 3e-4e situation, eventually the majority of the community will not accept 5e's subjective flaws and calls for 6e will be the majority.

There is no such thing as a perfect game. However I don't see how you go from the most popular TTRPG to the majority of people think the game is deeply flawed. I know the people I play with don't think that and the one guy I played with that didn't care for the game (it can't work for everyone) simply went on to something else.

Is D&D flawed? Absolutely! Just like every other product in existence. Deeply flawed? Not in the estimation of the dozens of people I've played with over the past decade. People on forums love to complain and exaggerate issues.

 

[Scribe]

I think there are inherit and deep flaws with 5e that many or even the majority of 5e players and DMs believe are there. It is only tolerated because they like most of the mechanics, their old material, their friends like it, it is actively supported, and is popular.

Inherently and deeply flawed.

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Most of the mechanics are liked.
Its compatible with older material.
Friends like it.
Its actively supported.
Its popular.

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Just how inherent and deep are these flaws then, really? I'm not a 5e cheer leader, and I'm even less a 5.5 (new edition) cheer leader, but what are these objective systemic flaws that have somehow been accounted for for a decade.

 

[Snarf Zagyg]

There is no such thing as a perfect game. However I don't see how you go from the most popular TTRPG to the majority of people think the game is deeply flawed. I know the people I play with don't think that and the one guy I played with that didn't care for the game (it can't work for everyone) simply went on to something else.

Is D&D flawed? Absolutely! Just like every other product in existence. Deeply flawed? Not in the estimation of the dozens of people I've played with over the past decade. People on forums love to complain and exaggerate issues.

I don't know about flawed, but past evidence shows that people will often get bored of a particular rules system, and then a company will want to juice the numbers by releasing a new rules system.

However, I think that this might be different this time. Because of the pivot to video ... ahem, the VTT push. To the extent that D&D is moving heavily toward that model, WoTC and Hasbro are likely looking to stabilize the base, and just deal with incremental updates. In other words, an Evergreen model of a sort, that is refined over time.

The more interesting issue is whether there is a divide over time between the published versions of the game and what is on-line (through DDB and the VTT system). But if I was Nostradamus, my sports wagers would be doing a lot better.

 

[Minigiant]

There is no such thing as a perfect game. However I don't see how you go from the most popular TTRPG to the majority of people think the game is deeply flawed. I know the people I play with don't think that and the one guy I played with that didn't care for the game (it can't work for everyone) simply went on to something else.

Is D&D flawed? Absolutely! Just like every other product in existence. Deeply flawed? Not in the estimation of the dozens of people I've played with over the past decade. People on forums love to complain and exaggerate issues.

For now...

Give it a few years. The complaints will get louder.

Inherently and deeply flawed.

--

Most of the mechanics are liked.
Its compatible with older material.
Friends like it.
Its actively supported.
Its popular.

--

Just how inherent and deep are these flaws then, really? I'm not a 5e cheer leader, and I'm even less a 5.5 (new edition) cheer leader, but what are these objective systemic flaws that have somehow been accounted for for a decade.

For now...

Give it a few years. The complaints will get louder.

 

[Scribe]

For now...

Give it a few years. The complaints will get louder.


For now...

Give it a few years. The complaints will get louder.

Pretty sure on a long enough timeline you may be right. Meet back here in another decade?

 

[mamba]

I think there are two types of folks here clinging to the .5 nomenclature. Those that just want an easy to understand differentiator based on precedent, and those actively wanting an edition overhaul because they hate 5E. For the latter, whether its hoping for an even simpler OSR D&D, or a return of 4E, adding .5 officially signifies that 5E is over the hill and the day they long awaited for is getting ever closer.

Given the direction it is going in, the OSR D&D crowd's day certainly is not getting any closer...

 

[Snarf Zagyg]

Pretty sure on a long enough timeline you may be right. Meet back here in another decade?

The long run is a misleading guide to current affairs. In the long run we are all dead.

 

[Minigiant]

Pretty sure on a long enough timeline you may be right. Meet back here in another decade?

I wouldn't put money on a whole decade.

 

[payn]

Given the direction it is going in, the OSR D&D crowd's day certainly is not getting any closer...

I think the point is there are folks that want an overhaul in a myriad of directions from what 5E is now. The hope is that this time D&D will go "my" way.