D&D 5E So my Dm wants to nerf my Vengence paladin against all but chosen foes?!

[Lanliss]

A neat roleplaying bit would be to increase social standing for creative uses of transmutation spells. Applying social opprobrium for using the class' core feature isn't flavor -- it's punishment.


Well, I have quibbles about making things fun (punishing classes for using their features with in game repercussions), but if you don't like playing a game with him and become so angry about it that you rant and tear him down (which he didn't do to you) online where he can see it and to total strangers, then you're now jeopardizing that friendship for stupid reasons. Cut bait, explain your reasons, because your current path with end up with a bad game and no friend.

I am not seeing a lot of "tearing down", could you explain where that happened? I see a DM who thought his player was ok with how the game was going, and then was told to look at this, and found out that his player was actually really unhappy, and tried getting help from the internet to change the DM's mind. Centurion's reaction seems completely reasonable to me.
@Centurion! For what it's worth, I agree with you that restrictions and reactions make a world more interesting, but as you mention, not everyone will go for that sort of thing. I have one player who specifically builds setting agnostic characters to drag and drop to different games, and feels that limiting character options at all is a bad thing to do. I am personally quite proud of my current world, with its limitations and changes, because it is mine. I encourage you to continue as you are, and not compromise the basic ideals of your world to make someone happy.

For any who read that in a negative light, allow me to attach a disclaimer. I am happy to help my players build the character they want to play within my world, and help them tell the story they want to tell. That said, I am not willing to compromise the basic idea of my world because one of my players is feeling entitled (not directed at anyone, just a hypothetical fake player that wants me to change my world). For a simple example, would anyone want to play in a serious* low magic Lord of the rings game, where one player insists on playing a Jedi? Not a wizard who calls himself a Jedi, but they actually require a space Paladin with a laser sword.

*serious here means Not a beer and pretzels game, but an actual attempt to role play characters as they would exist in Tolkien's universe.

 

[dagger]

Its hard for me to take sides on this because I don't know the people or the context. And as an old proverb says:

The first to present his case seems right,
Till another comes forward and questions him.

My advice is not to walk out as the others say, but maybe just switch classes. If you are dead set on the paladin and the DM will not budge, then just try it for a few sessions. If you are not having fun, then maybe roll up something else...?

Its also hard for me to offer anything else because I don't recall being in a situation like this. The current 5e DM we play under I have been playing with since 1994, and I am pretty comfortable just punching him in the throat when we don't agree (I am mostly kidding). I have been told NO before for things I have tried to run (usually something out of Dragon like the AD&D Archer, or 3rd party 3/3.5 stuff from Mongoose publishing), but its never been a big deal. Sorry!

 

[Dausuul]

As far as I can read the PHB I cannot get these rules, as its not stated clearly. Seems like 2 lines of fluff for every one line, but hey I wanted to ask you guys for input.
Seems like fun, but then again saying I cannot use some abilities and spells is special.

It's absolutely not in the rules. Your DM is house ruling.

If you and your DM are both okay with the house rule, it's all good. But it is certainly a house rule.

 

[Centurion!]

I am not seeing a lot of "tearing down", could you explain where that happened? I see a DM who thought his player was ok with how the game was going, and then was told to look at this, and found out that his player was actually really unhappy, and tried getting help from the internet to change the DM's mind. Centurion's reaction seems completely reasonable to me.
@Centurion! For what it's worth, I agree with you that restrictions and reactions make a world more interesting, but as you mention, not everyone will go for that sort of thing. I have one player who specifically builds setting agnostic characters to drag and drop to different games, and feels that limiting character options at all is a bad thing to do. I am personally quite proud of my current world, with its limitations and changes, because it is mine. I encourage you to continue as you are, and not compromise the basic ideals of your world to make someone happy.


For any who read that in a negative light, allow me to attach a disclaimer. I am happy to help my players build the character they want to play within my world, and help them tell the story they want to tell. That said, I am not willing to compromise the basic idea of my world because one of my players is feeling entitled (not directed at anyone, just a hypothetical fake player that wants me to change my world). For a simple example, would anyone want to play in a serious* low magic Lord of the rings game, where one player insists on playing a Jedi? Not a wizard who calls himself a Jedi, but they actually require a space Paladin with a laser sword.


*serious here means Not a beer and pretzels game, but an actual attempt to role play characters as they would exist in Tolkien's universe.

Thanks!


Yeah, that escalated quickly
But I am upset with my player, and Ill leave the friendship part out of it. And knowing him, its kinda dissapionting to see him pulling a move like the OP was, hoping to get his will. Let me explain..


My rant is not something I feel like I have to explain, but here it goes.


My daughter is dying. Not much to give me comfort. Rpg did. That ment A LOT! After a while our DM was out. They asked if i could run his game. So I said yes. After a while we needed a new player or two, and then the Hoar Paladin joined the group. He wasnt used to our way of playing, with more social interaction, political and sosio economic stuff.. anyhow he ended up dominating the group in a nagative way, and as I told the group Im now considdering resigning as a DM, he was willing to discuss changes. With all that stuff going on with my daughter, I dont have much energy to discuss rules in mid-encounters or outside. If he wants to be running the game, fine, he can. If he wants to play, dont run the game. Phb is supposed to be tools to help us run a great and fun game. Not law. Some like These kinda of discussions. Thats Ok. I do too. Normalt. But now Im not up for it. Theres only so much I can take. So after telling him that his constant discussions bring both me and the players down, and the game, he felt like posting OP. Then want to bring all of you into it.


I dont blame any of you. Your just trying to help out.


But the immense lack of respect my player is showing me, saddens me. As a friend, Even Worse! Ive asked him to stop the constant fighting over the rules, but no. So if he cant take me answering in his post, he shouldnt bring it, nor try to bring you guys into his attempt to controll how I run the game. Well Ive decided to quit anyway. The thread wasnt helping. Not a bit. Quite the opposite.

 

[Ovinomancer]

I actually specified that Sentinel is NOT overpowered. I dont Get why you are bringing this up here under false presumptions. This change was to make the feat better, not to nurf it, as you wanted to use the feat to stop dragons flying with it. Sigh...

Wait, I'm confused. It's not overpowered, but you're going to change it so that it can't stop dragons flying (which it does as written) and so that it's less effective against larger creatures, both of which are reducing the power of the feat. If it's not overpowered, why are you nerfing it?

I'm not necessarily arguing about your feelings on the feat -- I think it causes issues in some cases as well, but arguing that it's not an issue while drastically reducing it's effectiveness to "make it better" is... odd.

 

[Ovinomancer]

He finally chose the Cult of the Dragon during the Rise of Tiamat campaign.. at level 12. so pretty much, evry foe he meet during the next 10 games is his special enemy. So in effect, NOTHING was nerfed. This thread is just to make me as a DM look bad, the way I see it.

But its a good point you rause.. During the course of gaming I should naturally let him pick other special foes as the stories unfold

Sorry, but who did you expect him to pick as his avowed enemy in a Rise of Tiamat game at 12th level?

 

[Lanliss]

Thanks!


Yeah, that escalated quickly
But I am upset with my player, and Ill leave the friendship part out of it. And knowing him, its kinda dissapionting to see him pulling a move like the OP was, hoping to get his will. Let me explain..


My rant is not something I feel like I have to explain, but here it goes.


My daughter is dying. Not much to give me comfort. Rpg did. That ment A LOT! After a while our DM was out. They asked if i could run his game. So I said yes. After a while we needed a new player or two, and then the Hoar Paladin joined the group. He wasnt used to our way of playing, with more social interaction, political and sosio economic stuff.. anyhow he ended up dominating the group in a nagative way, and as I told the group Im now considdering resigning as a DM, he was willing to discuss changes. With all that stuff going on with my daughter, I dont have much energy to discuss rules in mid-encounters or outside. If he wants to be running the game, fine, he can. If he wants to play, dont run the game. Phb is supposed to be tools to help us run a great and fun game. Not law. Some like These kinda of discussions. Thats Ok. I do too. Normalt. But now Im not up for it. Theres only so much I can take. So after telling him that his constant discussions bring both me and the players down, and the game, he felt like posting OP. Then want to bring all of you into it.


I dont blame any of you. Your just trying to help out.


But the immense lack of respect my player is showing me, saddens me. As a friend, Even Worse! Ive asked him to stop the constant fighting over the rules, but no. So if he cant take me answering in his post, he shouldnt bring it, nor try to bring you guys into his attempt to controll how I run the game. Well Ive decided to quit anyway. The thread wasnt helping. Not a bit. Quite the opposite.

Oh no, I hope you don't quit the RPG altogether, that would suck. Cannot convey true emotion through text, but that is not sarcastic at all, I genuinely think it would suck. I cannot pretend to have any idea what kind of problems you must be having with your daughter, but if something is helping I would recommend you keep it in your life, even if you do that in a different way than you are now. At the worst, remember that you should be well within your rights to ask the player to leave the game, rather than leave yourself. If he alone is the issue, and the other players agree with you, it shouldn't cause tension with those remaining. If the player let's this ruin the friendship, than I wouldn't call it too much of a friendship, so either way it is a win-win. Of course, all of this is IMO, and not by any means professional advice. It is easy for me to say these things from the outside, so apologies if you on the inside find them unhelpful.

 

[Centurion!]

it reduse move to 0, ignoring size. So my player thought of a great way of bringing down a dragon forgetting that dragons have legendary move as well, and the way I see it, thats a supernatural ability that is not bound to normal rules like Mooving during another players turn etc. But I liked the idea that sentinel could work for a dragon, and I wanted to bring into the feat more realism, so I agreed that he could stop the dragon and override the supernatural abilities with a size modified attack I commended him for being innovative, and let him be able to go with it with restrictions. There is something unbalanced with a lvl 1 halfling stopping the Kraken from escaping, right? Yet, I want to make it possible.. lesning to RAI over RAW, or giving all my big melee bosses mobility feat, just for the sake of having a fun encounter for the rest of the party.

 

[Centurion!]

Thanks for the love! and the love of evry one else in this thread

 

[Centurion!]

Oh no, I hope you don't quit the RPG altogether, that would suck. Cannot convey true emotion through text, but that is not sarcastic at all, I genuinely think it would suck. I cannot pretend to have any idea what kind of problems you must be having with your daughter, but if something is helping I would recommend you keep it in your life, even if you do that in a different way than you are now. At the worst, remember that you should be well within your rights to ask the player to leave the game, rather than leave yourself. If he alone is the issue, and the other players agree with you, it shouldn't cause tension with those remaining. If the player let's this ruin the friendship, than I wouldn't call it too much of a friendship, so either way it is a win-win. Of course, all of this is IMO, and not by any means professional advice. It is easy for me to say these things from the outside, so apologies if you on the inside find them unhelpful.

Thanks Well, my therapist said the exact same thing and luckily most of the players gets this, so I hope theres a way for rpg to remain a blessing somehow... all the best