So sick of 2E fans bashing 3E

[Darth K'Trava]

And thus, begins the new round of "Edition Wars". I play 3ed. but have bought a few 2ed books for the "fluff" that the 3ed books don't have (FR books). Some people don't want to try anything new but we shouldn't bash them because of their decision just as they shouldn't bash us for playing newer editions than they do.

 

[D+1]

It has been my experience that people who still play 2e/1e and say that 3/3.5 is not "real D&D" are not only quite frequently real jerks, but also rarely have anything to back up their argument beyond "it doesn't feel like D&D"

Yep. Plenty of people out there still playing old versions. Fewer all the time, but who are we to tell them they may only have fun by playing under the rules WE prefer? Only a jerk would say such a thing.

So, next time you're called a "3tard" for playing under the rules you prefer, recite the above paragraph. Just as only a jerk would insist you're a wanker for playing the OLD rules, only a jerk would insist you're a wanker for playing the newest rules.

But if I had to choose one or the other, I'd say the one with the bigger fanbase is the true victor... and I'm pretty sure that's not 2E.

Well you can also respond to such a loser by pointing out that it's NOT a competition between versions as such. If there EVER was a competition it was when 3E went on sale and 2E and ALL PREVIOUS VERSIONS WERE SUMMARILY DISCONTINUED WITHOUT THE BAT OF AN EYELASH.

Game over. 3E wins by default.

3E continues to prove it's success and superiority by winning over converts from the older rules, bringing in new players, and bringing BACK players who had left the game. There most definitely is NOT a wave of players abandoning 3E for the "old ways". That is one demographic that is only getting smaller as time goes on.

If you're a "3tard" then the person who called you that is clearly a Luddite.

Our argument ended today with one of the 2E fans claiming that 3E isn't working out and WoTC is in development of a non-compatible 4e system because of it. Of course he had an "inside source" that he could not divulge

Uh huh. What is he, an Investigative Reporter? Does he think he's Geraldo Rivera? "Undisclosed, inside sources say..." There's a reason a good investigative reporter CORROBORATES that kind of information. Because, without corroboration it is readily dismissed as bunk and hokum.

There is only ONE reason why rumors about a 4th edition continue to circulate and be taken seriously without good reason. The 3.5 rules. When 3.5 was released there were (and still are) a lot of people who just be-atched and moaned like the world was ending because they were being FORCED to buy new books. It was an argument that didn't hold up for buying and playing 3E and it didn't hold a drop more water against 3.5. Lots of people still play 3.0, not 3.5. Lots of people still play 2E and 1E and even OD&D, and so on.

It wasn't long after the whole 3.5 hullaballoo ended that the 4.0 rumors began. Probably even innocently - people just like to speculate about what might change in a complete rules revision. But that doesn't mean it's actually in the works, or even that it will EVER happen. But the same people who complained long and loud about 3.5 seem to me to be the same people insiting that there is a secret 4.0 initiative underway at WotC - a conspiracy directed squarely at themselves. Just my perspective on that anyway.

Am I the only one who deals with this crap?

You mean 2E Luddites? Or just jerks in general? From your post it sounds like this guy was one of those people who just likes to complain, likes to insult others in a pathetic attempt to make himself and his cronies look superior, and/or made up his mind about 3E without ever having played it, seriously examined it, or perhaps even read it.

I don't actually have this kind of problem, but then my gaming group is fairly insular. But I'd LOVE to meet this loser just to politely debate the finer points of his delusions. Oh boy would I ever. I'm a 25+ year veteran of the game and also gettin' awfully crochety in my old age. I take a kind of sad pleasure from seeing young pipqueaks and loudmouth punks (even if they're just fanboy punks) get their comeuppance. Just let 'em TRY and call me a 3tard.

 

[Ampolitor]

Heres my problem with this forum
1, Dungeons and dragons is the GAME IDEA not the 2E, 3E rules those are mechanics and you could even call them the SRD, sound familiar?
2. there is no Better system, each one is unique and different, some pro some con, 2E didnt have rules for everything like 3E does and 3 can be more customized, BUT it is also a LOT more number crunching that can sometimes be too much for a DM to do with a large party (especially in timed tourneys)
3. for you to knock the older rules systes truly shows that you are a new gamer and that you probably started with 3 which is most of the people who say what you say, most gamers dont knock it because its a SET OF RULES! that why they also have optional rules, you use what you want to.
4. As for the numbers, if you really knew your facts you would see that 3 is nowhere near as big as the older books, when they had multiple worlds and hundreds of books, modules, cards etc.. Now they only have the core books which is their main moneymakers, and theyre cheaper. For the most part when it came out at first WOTC depended on other companies to put out worlds and mods and as long as they required the use of their rule books they were happy.
5. 3e, hmmm you think it means 3rd edition you people act like its a entire different game, guess what ITS NOT! all of the basics are there.
6. OK lets face it, the insider info was probably wrong but you know and I know it there will be a 4th edition, maybe not next year but there will be, a business needs to make money.
well thats my rant, I just hate people who make dumb comments without the facts. Its simple its the same game just different versions of rules, and to say one is superior, well that just shows you age and how New you are to the game and gamer circle.

 

[Krieg]

I thought the Spears argument was, "It is popular therefore it must be bad".

Both statements being equally ignorant, naturally.

No, no, no!

You are referring to the Green Day argument which states...

"Once it achieves popularity, THEN it sucks!'

(The corollary being that it didn't suck when it wasn't popular)




BTW count me among the heretics who feels that 3.x isn't D&D.


It's a D20 conversion of the venerable game.


(Oh, and for some reason your avatar creeps me out!)

 

[3tard]

Bash away ye old timers!

 

[Psion]

The following are facts:

1) Psion is an oldtimer.
2) 3.x e rocks. Everything before rocks less.

Mr. Flibble told me so. and he's VERY reliable.

 

[Shemeska]

So what about those of us who were new to DnD in 3e, play using 3e rules, but find the atmosphere and depth from some of the 2e material to be superior and something that is largely lacking in 3e (FR is less of a problem here of late)?

 

[EricNoah]

Yeah, I don't get "Edition Wars" -- it's a battle that everyone loses! Why anyone feels a need to "win" at this contest is beyond me.

Older edition die-hards can't universally "blame" our youth and inexperience for prefering 3e, though -- the majority of folks here are in their late 20's to mid 30's (or older) and started with an earlier edition of D&D (many started in the late 70s and early 80s). So that argument doesn't wash. And many of us play multiple editions of D&D, in several different gaming groups.

Painting anyone with too broad a brush makes one a ... bad painter? (Sorry, my metaphor petered out there...)

 

[scourger]

I wasn't going to read any of this until I saw the term 3tard. Despite being very insensitive to the plight of the mentally challenged, it is a funny jab.

 

[Heretic Apostate]

Bah, like 2E is the real D&D.

Chainmail, now THAT is the real D&D.

We just need someone to come into those edition wars arguments and claim that everyone else is supporting a derivative and unimaginative copy of a true original...