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So, Wandavision?

FitzTheRuke

Legend
The kid for whom this is their first Superman. I agree that origin stories get tiresome as you get older, because you keep seeing them, but for every movie there's a generation for whom that's their first. While you can do it too often, once every 10 years or so seems OK to me.
I don't disagree with your conclusion - once every ten years seems fine. F4 have had their origin told more recently than that, though. And between older movies, cartoons, comics, and word-of-mouth, I think we would be hard pressed to find very many people (who would watch a Superman movie) who wouldn't already be familiar with (at least the basics of) his origin.
 

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It is also a bit of a missed opportunity if we keep retelling the origin stories of super heroes, when there are a lot more interesting comicbook stories out there that haven't been translated to movies yet. I am definitely in favor of a quick recap from now on, or skipping it entirely.
 


ART!

Hero
I meant Photon
Well, there are photons in nebulas, so all is forgiven! :D
Jimmy Woo use to work for SHIELD, he’s got contacts - so when he came across a disappeared town, he calls his contacts and they contact SWORD due to potential interest.


I still think Wanda is the cause and her not knowing it just points to her trauma. There may be others who got involved (eg Agnes and Hetb) and she may have even opened her world up to the multiverse

The lavender scene in particular points to Agnes attempting to protect the towns folk from ‘evil’ spirits (from the multiverse?).
Of course we still dont know who ‘husband Ralph’ is - that reveal might be critical (or not)
Numerous witch and devil references have been cited in this thread from each of the episodes thus far, including Agnes' mention that her and Ralph's anniversary is June 2nd - which is also the anniversary of the first witch trial in Salem, MA in 1692. So, either we're being magnificently trolled by the writers (which is totally possible), or Mephisto and/or witch-stuff is involved.
 


billd91

Hobbit on Quest
I did, and somehow lived to tell the tale. But yes: it was really, really bad. Stunningly so.

I think a proper MCU-built FF origin story would be great to see, but then I'm a big FF fan.
Same here. I applaud them for going with the Ultimate Fantastic Four as their starting point since the older tropes from the original (cold war space race, older scientist paired with a relative ingénue as his girlfriend) are less relevant. But that's its sole redeeming quality as far as I can tell.
 

ART!

Hero
Same here. I applaud them for going with the Ultimate Fantastic Four as their starting point since the older tropes from the original (cold war space race, older scientist paired with a relative ingénue as his girlfriend) are less relevant. But that's its sole redeeming quality as far as I can tell.
It had a few good actors in it, so that's something - but not enough to say "in the right hands, this cast would have been perfect!". I guess the accident that give them their powers is more from the Ultimate storyline, and I'm cool with that conceptually, although definitely not in execution.
 

Rabulias

Adventurer
A few weeks after the snap, Tony Stark returns to Earth. One would think he could have made the case that Vision's remains were his "property," or at least be concerned about what became of them. Maybe he was too focused on other world problems and/or building a life with Pepper.
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
I think a proper MCU-built FF origin story would be great to see, but then I'm a big FF fan.

It is very possible that you are about to. Instead of building a space ship, Reed Richards has a transport/system to get into the Hex, but it fails to protect his team, and they get the Rambeau treatment...
 


Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
I very much doubt we will see a Fantastic Four origin story in WandaVision if the FF are going to get their own film.

I expect the refrain of "oh, geeze, not another origin story" has been heard a lot at Marvel. I think they might well explain the origin, but not bother to make it "a story" in and of itself. For some characters, the process of the origin is itself very important in establishing who the character is. For others, it isn't. I think the FF, and Photon, sit in the latter space, and they can be given a quick justification here without damaging the later story.
 

ART!

Hero
I wouldn't be surprised if we're introduced to one or more FF characters in WandaVision, but I don't expect their origin to happen there. If they can pull it off well, then I'll be happily wrong. :D

As the hex gets larger, it becomes increasingly likely that this reality-warping event will be used to set up more and more characters. Rambeau is already a shoo-in, and Kamala Khan is fairly likely, and explaining/creating mutants seems likely-ish?
 

FitzTheRuke

Legend
Yeah, but it was really, really bad. And I don't think anyone saw it.
I know I didn't see it!

But, still. Enough people are familiar that a few lines or a quick montage would do it. I think part of the reason that I don't want to see the origin again is because it was done once kinda meh and once terribly. Sure, they could do it again and do it well, but maybe they should just start fresh? Or at least super-quick in the first 10 minutes or so. Like you say, a quick explanation/justification and we're good.
 

MarkB

Legend
It is very possible that you are about to. Instead of building a space ship, Reed Richards has a transport/system to get into the Hex, but it fails to protect his team, and they get the Rambeau treatment...
They were very specific about the energy being given off by the Hex being cosmic background radiation, which is pretty similar to what gives the FF their powers in the comics. Maybe too similar to be considered a coincidence. And with the Infinity Stones' energy having been effectively distributed through the cosmos when they were destroyed, it'd be easy enough to tie that in as latent energy to provide superpowers.

They could do both, of course. Maybe Reed Richards figures that the Hex's boundary is weaker from above, and proposes a sub-orbital flight as the best means of entry.
 

Tonguez

A suffusion of yellow
They were very specific about the energy being given off by the Hex being cosmic background radiation, which is pretty similar to what gives the FF their powers in the comics. Maybe too similar to be considered a coincidence. And with the Infinity Stones' energy having been effectively distributed through the cosmos when they were destroyed, it'd be easy enough to tie that in as latent energy to provide superpowers.

They could do both, of course. Maybe Reed Richards figures that the Hex's boundary is weaker from above, and proposes a sub-orbital flight as the best means of entry.

is Von Doom an Aerospace Engineer? They could possibly put him through the Hex origin before creating F4
 

ART!

Hero
is Von Doom an Aerospace Engineer? They could possibly put him through the Hex origin before creating F4
That...that would kind of be awesome.

And you know - comic book Doom's background includes magic as well as science.

😲

This makes extra sense, because referring to Reed Richards as an aerospace engineer just sounds...off to me. Even young Reed was very multidisciplinary.
 
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Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
is Von Doom an Aerospace Engineer? They could possibly put him through the Hex origin before creating F4

Traditionally, Doom doesn't have superpowers. He's got intelligence, massive tech, and a bit of magic from trying to learn how to bring his mother back from the dead, iirc.
 

MarkB

Legend
Traditionally, Doom doesn't have superpowers. He's got intelligence, massive tech, and a bit of magic from trying to learn how to bring his mother back from the dead, iirc.
And an easy option for him would be to spin something out of the aftermath of the Sokovia incident. Maybe some chunks of Vibranium-infused Ultron tech wound up raining down on Latveria, and he's been quietly researching them in the interim.
 

Tonguez

A suffusion of yellow
Traditionally, Doom doesn't have superpowers. He's got intelligence, massive tech, and a bit of magic from trying to learn how to bring his mother back from the dead, iirc.
there is his 'magic' though which could tie directly to Wanda's 'Hex powers' especially when iirc his magic powers were mainly energy manipulation and transferring his consciousness to other bodies(?)
 

pukunui

Legend
I’m in the camp that Disney won’t want to use the literal devil in one of their products. I think it would freak out too many parents.

Also, re: entering the Hex from above - the promo trailers show what looks to be a reinforced truck of some kind smashing its way through. FWIW.
 

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