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Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
Comics...maybe. X-Men movies? No way. He’s dickish in those, but definitely not malevolently destructive.

Eh. He smashes pumpkins and steals candy. If he wanted to be malevolently destructive, pumpkins wouldn't be the things that get busted up.

He says, and I quote, “I’m just trying to do my part, okay? Come to town unexpectedly, create tension with the brother-in-law, stir up trouble with the rugrats, and ultimately give you grief. I mean, that’s what you wanted, isn’t it?”

So, I am not so sure we should be blaming other malevolent beings for his behavior.
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
Herb and Agnes-they make comments to Wanda and clearly have some sort of freewill at times. My theory is they are not human but either robots or minor demons

Does Wanda have mind control powers in the comics? I thought she had powerful magic but not in control?

In the comics, Wanda has magic, and her mutant powers. Her mutant powers were originally massive probability manipulation to make entirely improbable things happen. They've been retconned several times - once to be natural Chaos Magic manipulation, and then again to be reality warping/probability manipulation. And since then again to include natural magic. It's kind of a mess.
 

Rune

Once A Fool
He says, and I quote, “I’m just trying to do my part, okay? Come to town unexpectedly, create tension with the brother-in-law, stir up trouble with the rugrats, and ultimately give you grief. I mean, that’s what you wanted, isn’t it?”
Huh. You quoted a thing that supports my argument to suggest that it supports the opposite.

I’m not saying you’re wrong, but I am going to hold that up as evidence that WandaVision is deliberately using writing that suggests ambiguity. I wouldn’t be terribly surprised if multiple things that now seem mutually exclusive turn out to be true.

But, also: the Pietro that Wanda grew up with was fundamentally good and this one is evil.
 


Rune

Once A Fool
I have not seen him perform any outright evil acts. The worst thing he does, is joke about Vision dying again.
But he also cares about the kids and enjoys spending time with them. He also listens to Wanda, when she tells him about her grief.
Well, of course not. He didn’t come to be outright evil; the totality of his actions are subtly evil – his every interaction with the kids is well-summed up in his own words: “Raise hell, demon-spawn!”

His every interaction with Vision serves to divide him from Wanda (even replace him as a father-figure — Pietro’s words, not mine). His counseling of Wanda validates her actions and comforts her, but without true empathy, as shown when he says the thing that gets him blasted.

Two other things worth looking at: the telepathic kid thinks he’s a vampire and is afraid of him. And this Pietro says he was shot like a chump – which is a weird thing to say about someone who sacrificed his life to save another.

Okay, one more, addressing the idea this Pietro might be the one from the Fox movies: Fox X-Men Quicksilver is so much faster than bullets that he can rearrange them in flight. That Pietro didn’t get shot like a chump in the street. At least not from the front, like the corpse suggests (and like Age of Ultron Pietro did).

[Edit to clarify: With regard to Pietro’s relationship with the kids (as a replacement father-figure), he is a consistent corrupting influence. He isn’t shown steering them away from mischief once. Always toward. Always at the expense of others.]
 
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Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
Huh. You quoted a thing that supports my argument to suggest that it supports the opposite.

He thinks he is doing what she wants. And there's a lot of question about how much free will people in the Hex have. I am not sure that speaks to him being malevolent.

But, also: the Pietro that Wanda grew up with was fundamentally good and this one is evil.

What has he done that could be called "evil"? He smashed up some pumpkins, and has been a bit aggravating. Has he actually done any significant harm to anyone in the Hex?
 

We now know what will be airing on March 12, the Friday in between the end of WandaVision and start of Falcon & Winter Soldier. There will be a show about the making of WandaVision, so Disney is sticking to what they said about something new Marvel-related every week of the year. It just won't be an episode of one of the shows every week.

 



Tonguez

A suffusion of yellow
So, WandaVision is currently the most popular tv series in the world.

"Parrot Analytics, an audience attention measurement system which analyzes social media, fan ratings, and piracy information as indicators of audience demand, says the show moved to the top of its series being watched worldwide as of the fifth episode."

(From this article in Forbes.)
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Blue

Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal
Just recalling too that it still hasnt been identified who Jimmy Woos ‘secret witness’ was - maybe Agnes is the witness and she was trying to reach Jimmy while Wanda was distracted by nu-Pietro.
I seem to remember Jimmy referring to his witness as "him", which would (likely) preclude Agnes.

Can someone double check me if that's correct?
 



ART!

Hero
That's pretty cool. If they can keep to that with Falcon and Winter Soldier, and Loki, they may have something.

I dunno, I am significantly less interested in Falcon and Winter Soldier than either WandaVision or Loki
Of the series known to be in the works, F&WS, Hawkeye, and Secret Invasion look like they'll be the ones most in the vein of the MCU as we know it thus far, i.e. continuing the story of the Avengers and Civil War movies and characters. Other planned series might play into that as well, of course.

Loki might play into the WandaVision and Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness thread.

Ms Marvel and She-Hulk will probably play into that Avengers stuff, too, but they'll be introducing new major-ish characters, too, so the dynamics might be fairly different.

Moon Knight will, I hope, be very different! :cool:
 
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Gradine

Final Form (they/them)
I just want to be saved from more origin stories. If they can keep doing stealth-origins like they appear to be doing with Nebula in WandaVision or just skip the dumb thing altogether a la the new Spider-man I'll be happy
 

FitzTheRuke

Legend
I just want to be saved from more origin stories. If they can keep doing stealth-origins like they appear to be doing with Nebula in WandaVision or just skip the dumb thing altogether a la the new Spider-man I'll be happy
I agree. I kinda hope that when they do Fantastic Four they just start with "That mission went wrong and we got powers!" instead of dragging it out. That's been done. To Death.

My favourite Superman Origin in the comics was in All-Star Superman. One Page. Something like four panels, that said something along the lines of "Dying Planet." (Showed Krypton); "Last Hope" (Parents putting baby into a rocket); "New Home" (rocket heading for earth); "Kindly Couple" (Ma and Pa pulling him out of crashed rocket; next page... "Superman!" Done. Short and Sweet, and who doesn't know it anyway?
 

Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
I agree. I kinda hope that when they do Fantastic Four they just start with "That mission went wrong and we got powers!" instead of dragging it out. That's been done. To Death.

My favourite Superman Origin in the comics was in All-Star Superman. One Page. Something like four panels, that said something along the lines of "Dying Planet." (Showed Krypton); "Last Hope" (Parents putting baby into a rocket); "New Home" (rocket heading for earth); "Kindly Couple" (Ma and Pa pulling him out of crashed rocket; next page... "Superman!" Done. Short and Sweet, and who doesn't know it anyway?
The kid for whom this is their first Superman. I agree that origin stories get tiresome as you get older, because you keep seeing them, but for every movie there's a generation for whom that's their first. While you can do it too often, once every 10 years or so seems OK to me.
 

ART!

Hero
I agree. I kinda hope that when they do Fantastic Four they just start with "That mission went wrong and we got powers!" instead of dragging it out. That's been done. To Death.
I can't think about an MCU FF movie without getting giddy. I imagine an FF movie opening in media res, with them all on a ship that's tearing through a collapsing wormhole while it's being attacked by Negative Zone hordes, and each of the FF is doing their character-defining schtick.

That said, I'd be okay if they retold the origin relatively chronologically, as long as the whole thing is working at the level of the MCU's better films.

Basically, I trust them to do it well.
 

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