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So, Wandavision?

Tonguez

A suffusion of yellow
It felt to me like whoever was previously controlling Agnes is now controlling Quicksilver, given that he’s now the one hanging around keeping an eye on the family in much the same way she was previously.

Perhaps that gave Agnes a chance to try and escape?

One thing’s for sure, this show is setting a high bar for the shows that will follow.
Im not sure that Agnes and nu-Pietro have the same Source/Controller. Agnes has tended to be helpful and protective of the town and the twin children, she’s also shown a healthy deference to Wanda. Pietro on the other hand has been a disruptive element, disturbing the town and children (Wiccan at least) and has been provocative towards Wanda. Their roles seem to be opposite (though perhaps both focussed on the same goal).
Just recalling too that it still hasnt been identified who Jimmy Woos ‘secret witness’ was - maybe Agnes is the witness and she was trying to reach Jimmy while Wanda was distracted by nu-Pietro.

it is a high bar, I’m quietly confiedent that the next few series will do their utmost to keep pace with Wandavision, so 2021 looks like a good year for streaming superheroes

edit: corrected name from Wanda to Agnes
 
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The Lizard Wizard

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Im not sure that Agnes and nu-Pietro have the same Source/Controller. Agnes has tended to be helpful and protective of the town and the twin children, she’s also shown a healthy deference to Wanda. Pietro on the other hand has been a disruptive element, disturbing the town and children (Wiccan at least) and has been provocative towards Wanda. Their roles seem to be opposite (though perhaps both focussed on the same goal).
Just recalling too that it still hasnt been identified who Jimmy Woos ‘secret witness’ was - maybe Wanda is the witness and she was trying to reach Jimmy while Wanda was distracted by nu-Pietro.

it is a high bar, I’m quietly confiedent that the next few series will do their utmost to keep pace with Wandavision, so 2021 looks like a good year for streaming superheroes

Yeah, for every theory I have there’s always some doubt in my mind or something that doesn’t quite add up. Agnes did seem to show up whenever Wanda or Vision seemed to be getting suspicious that something was going on in earlier episodes.
I agree she seemed more helpful than Pietro who is clearly trouble. But I just feel since the kids were born the focus has shifted...

Like, I have a feeling that Wanda made a deal for this perfect TV life with Vision that might come at the cost of her twins. There seemed to be something pushing her to have them, ‘For the children’ etc. but maybe that was just her subconscious?

As for the upcoming shows I imagine Falcon and the Snowman (as a guy at my office calls it) will have a much bigger audience than WandaVision, and Loki looks like a lot of fun too.
 

The Lizard Wizard

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Also I can’t wait to see Dr Darcy show up in the TV reality,

surely...

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I'm not sure if Wanda is evil or has gone dark or she's doing it because she has to or is the least bad option.

If we are to believe what she says to Pietro, she does not know how all of this happened. She just felt a great sadness and emptyness, and felt all alone.

I don't believe Wanda is evil. And I suspect there is more at work here, which may reveal that she isn't entirely to blame for all this.
 


Umbran

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Just recalling too that it still hasnt been identified who Jimmy Woos ‘secret witness’ was - maybe Wanda is the witness and she was trying to reach Jimmy while Wanda was distracted by nu-Pietro.

Did you mean to write, "maybe Agnes is the witness..."? Because otherwise this doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
 

Dire Bare

Legend
The Stand isn't a horror story.
According to the author, Steven King, it is! It's about what he fears the most, disease. I also found the book pretty terrifying myself when I read it.

When I watched the first few episodes of the recent CBS adaptation, I was probably suffering from, "the book is better" syndrome . . . .

Not everything that is creepy is horror. The Stand is post-apocalyptic dark fantasy.
Can't it be both? I agree it's post-apocalyptic dark fantasy, but I also feel that it's horror. Scared the crap out of me (the book)!
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
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According to the author, Steven King, it is!

Everyone gets an opinion. And much of the time he's a fine author. But, that doesn't mean he's particularly good at classifying literature.

To wit: Trolls are scary. Giant spiders are scary. Being caught by orcs under mountains is scary. Corrupted people eating raw fish in underground pools and hissing in the dark are scary. Dragons are scary.

The Hobbit may well have more traditionally scary bits per page than The Stand. However, is not a horror story. There's scary stuff in lots of things that aren't horror, so that can't be the determiner. The Stand doesn't have enough of the other bits that make a thing horror to qualify.

Can't it be both?

I am not the Genre Police. I just have an opinion. To my mind, it simply isn't horror, and I think classifying it as such is misleading, and sets expectations incorrectly. If you aren't an academic, most of the point of genre definition is setting expectations.
 


Omand

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So, a bit of a thread detour here.

So, earlier in the thread, some viewers thought that comments Monica made about contacting an astrophysicist were a reference to bringing Reed Richards and the Fantastic Four in the MCU.

What if the comments about an astrophysicist were related to an existing character in the MCU. What if Jane Foster or Erik Selvig were being referenced. I think Jane Foster is the more likely reference here. All of the rumours for Thor: Love and Thunder indicate that Jane is taking on the mantle of Thor. With the reveals that the energy in the Hex, or going into and out of the Hex, causes cellular changes in people, perhaps that instigates a change in Jane?

I know that the comic version of the story has her dying of cancer when she takes on the mantle of Thor, but the MCU could be tweaking the story slightly. Or, who knows, perhaps the Hex does cause cancer in some people?

Cheers :)
 


Omand

Adventurer
Oh, and as a follow up to my own post. If the Fantastic Four are being subtly introduced into the MCU via WandaVision then I think it is through the offhand comment by Hayward that he still has astronauts out in the space to be recovered after the blip.

Pretty sure that this was brought up before, but I cannot find the post at the moment.

Cheers :)
 

Umbran

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So, earlier in the thread, some viewers thought that comments Monica made about contacting an astrophysicist were a reference to bringing Reed Richards and the Fantastic Four in the MCU.

Sorry - she referred to contacting an "aerospace engineer".

Especially since Darcy Lewis is herself an astrophysicist, and Jane Foster's former student. Calling in Jane that way would be kinda awkward. "Sorry, Darcy, but you aren't awesome enough. We need your mentor, but we won't name her in front of you..."

In the most recent episode, Rambeau mentioned meeting up with "my guy". Women don't usually refer to other women as guys. We can probably expect it to be a man... though he might well have, say, three others in tow, ready to be exposed to the barrier and get powers, just like it looks like Monica has....
 
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Omand

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Sorry - she referred to contacting an "aerospace engineer".

Especially since Darcy Lewis is herself an astrophysicist, and Jane Foster's former student. Calling in Jane that way would be kinda awkward. "Sorry, Darcy, but you aren't awesome enough. We need your mentor, but we won't name her in front of you..."

In the most recent episode, Rambeau mentioned meeting up with "my guy". Women don't usually refer to other women as guys. We can probably expect it to be a man... though he might well have, say, three others in tow, ready to be exposed to the barrier and get powers, just like it looks like Monica has....
Umbran,

You are right, I misremembered the line.

Which might indeed still point us to the Fantastic Four. We shall see this week hopefully.
 


Omand

Adventurer
Oh, one last thing on the Darcy point.

I know that they have referred to Darcy as an Astrophysicist in WandaVision, but I think that might be one of the in-jokes for the show.

When Darcy was introduced in Thor, she was Jane's intern, yes, but with an English Lit degree if I recall correctly (I just rewatched the film about two weeks ago, but I do not remember the exact line). She was the only one to apply for the internship. In Thor: The Dark World, she is still Jane's intern, with an "intern" of her own who again appears to not have any science background.

Not saying that Darcy could not have totally changed her field of studies and earned a legitimate PhD in astrophysics (or maybe just an undergrad or Masters'), but I do not think we have had enough time in-universe for that to be true (even with the time stretch).

That said, it could be a MCU hand-wave.

Cheers :)
 

Morrus

Well, that was fun
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Not saying that Darcy could not have totally changed her field of studies and earned a legitimate PhD in astrophysics (or maybe just an undergrad or Masters'), but I do not think we have had enough time in-universe for that to be true (even with the time stretch).
She had a political science degree. Thor: The Dark World is set in 2013. The current Marvel timeline is our year +5 (the jump forward after the snap), so it's 2026. I'm pretty sure 13 years is long enough to get a PhD!
 

Omand

Adventurer
Looks like I am behind on the timeline.

Yes, 13 years would be enough. Especially if she did her work in the UK or EU (UK is more likely with Jane being at University of London as of Thor: The Dark World) where it is much easier to skip directly from an undergrad degree to Doctoral studies, and where the North American general standard of 6-7 years for a PhD is compressed down to 3-4 based upon differences in the system.

Cheers :)
 


Umbran

Mod Squad
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That said, it could be a MCU hand-wave.
Eh. Every mention of science in the MCU is a hand-wave. I mean, hasn't it struck you that they're ALL astrophysicists? Even those who are not dealing at all with stars and space? Apparently, they think "astro-" means "extra-"
 

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