So what can you tell me about "Antediluvian"?


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Nifft said:
There was this guy named Noah, and some animals, uh, and a lot of people who weren't very nice... though that's right ante, if you go further ante there was more stuff.

Those who were drowned were probably in the antideluvian movement.

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Curse my bad typing/spelling!! NOoo!!!! :o hahah!!
Yeah I bet they were Anti-deluvian or would that be Anti-Deluge(ian)?!

re:P-Cat bet she's a hard core 'cheek pincher' eh?!

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Hmmm.....well it sounds like you could set a really cool D&D game that way.
Humans often seem to all speak the same language already...

Interesting point about Gilgamesh!
I guess you could make the Swim skill have a "Swim Feat" prereq. and be a 'cross class skill' for everybody!! haha!!
And if you get tired of the campaign you bring on the flood!!


mmmm..Chtulhu!
That must be why Howard’s writing came to mind, I must have read something where he was borrowing from Lovecraft.
Maybe the other writer was Burroughs and not Wells?
Maybe I'm thinking about The Land That Time Forget?!
 

shadow said:
When men began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, 2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose. 3 Then the LORD said, "My Spirit will not contend with man forever, for he is mortal; his days will be a hundred and twenty years."
4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days-and also afterward-when the sons of God went to the daughters of men and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.
5 The LORD saw how great man's wickedness on the earth had become, and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil all the time. 6 The LORD was grieved that he had made man on the earth, and his heart was filled with pain. 7 So the LORD said, "I will wipe mankind, whom I have created, from the face of the earth-men and animals, and creatures that move along the ground, and birds of the air-for I am grieved that I have made them." 8 But Noah found favor in the eyes of the LORD

Genesis 6:1-8

The Bible contains some pretty neat stuff about the life before the flood. According to Genesis, before the flood men were able to live several centuries (in verse 3, God decrees that from then on man's lifespan would be a maximum of 120 years.) Also in verse 4, Genesis talks about the Nephilim (I think that it is Hebrew for "fallen one") superhumans born of the union of mortals and fiends. The King James Version uses the word Giants for Nephilim. Perhaps, Gilgamesh and other legendary heroes were really Nephilim.

Actually, it was angels, not fiends, and the text speaks of the offspring of the union of angels and mortals positively (i.e., the offspring are more akin to Aasimars than Tieflings).
 

Brennin Magalus said:
Actually, it was angels, not fiends, and the text speaks of the offspring of the union of angels and mortals positively (i.e., the offspring are more akin to Aasimars than Tieflings).

Well the verse actually says 'sons of God' and thats left things up for a lot of debate

The phrase is used elsewhere in the Old Testament to refer to angels, but then Lucifer and his cohorts were angels as well - so it may refer to them.
Another theory (which I don't think holds much water) is that the sons of God refers to the descendents of Seth (youngest son of Adam and Eve) and Daughters of men refers to the descendants of Cain - so they were entirely mortal.
Also if they were akin to Aasimar then they weren't using the alignment system since Nephilim were part of the 'wickedness' which filled the earth.

Anyway a further theory is that after Lucifer and his crew were cast out of heaven they set up an earthly reign and set themselves up as 'gods'. Their half-mortal offspring (the Nephilim, Men of Renown) are the classical heroes of myth (eg Hercules, Gilgamesh etc - both of course sons of 'gods')

These fallen angels brought the supertechnology often associated with Atlantis and instigated a golden age on earth. This was also helped by the fact that the 'Firmament seperating the waters' esablished at Creation provided a huge vapour shield around the planet which caused a greenhouse effect so that plants grew abundantly and animals grew to incredible size (eg the giant dragonflies and all the other megafauna of prehistoric times ) - ie abundant food, high standard of living and hedonistic lifestyles.

Despite all this however a few Sethites (descendents of Seth) remained true to the 'Creator' and of these Noah and his family were the last.
God broke the firmament causing the flood and the rest is (literally) history:D

A fact I heard on discovery channel that really freaked me was that the ancestral 'Amazon' and 'Congo' rivers once had a common source! (back in the Pangea days) because this resonantes with the biblical description of the river that flowed from Eden and then split into four
 
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paulewaug said:
mmmm..Chtulhu!
That must be why Howard’s writing came to mind, I must have read something where he was borrowing from Lovecraft.
Maybe the other writer was Burroughs and not Wells?
Maybe I'm thinking about The Land That Time Forget?!
Perhaps Howard came to mind because his writings of Conan and Kull were both antediluvian. He envisioned them both in different pre-historical periods of earth's antediluvian ages.

For some reason (meaning I can't confirm it without more research than I care to perform) the word also conjures up the works of Lord Dunsany and Clark Ashton Smith to me. They were both very careful wordsmiths, and the word antediluvian has a musical sound to it that seems to evoke the sorts of forgotten eras which they often wrote about.
 

Tonguez said:
A fact I heard on discovery channel that really freaked me was that the ancestral 'Amazon' and 'Congo' rivers once had a common source! (back in the Pangea days) because this resonantes with the biblical description of the river that flowed from Eden and then split into four

I'm hoping the web page you linked freaked you out as well. The author's interpretations are a bit....unusual!
 
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Next time you want a definition, you're probably better off trying a dictionary first, and then posting here. :p

On a related note; I can't find psionic in any dictionary, and I tend to wonder why we don't just use the word psychic like the rest of the non-gaming world?
 

Krieg said:
I'm hoping the web page you linked freaked you out as well. The author's interpretations are a bit....unusual!

Yes some of the authors ideas are very very unusual - but they could make for a great game setting (especially the bit about Mayan Jedi!).
 

Well into the 1920's and '30's the term antediluvian was entrenched in geology as an actual fact with many of the Jokalhaups events/floods at the end of the last ice age being used to prove that the earth had indeed been briefly flooded.

Throughout the 19th century the word was used to refer to anything sufficiently ancient enough to be different from things today.
 

Tonguez said:
Well the verse actually says 'sons of God' and thats left things up for a lot of debate

The phrase is used elsewhere in the Old Testament to refer to angels, but then Lucifer and his cohorts were angels as well - so it may refer to them.
Another theory (which I don't think holds much water)...

pudump.... crash!!!!


Aaron.
 

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