Special Conversion Thread: Finishing off giants and their kin

[Shade]

Updated.

Give 'em the typical feats and skills for giants?

Typical Feats for Giants:
Alertness, Awesome Blow, Cleave, Combat Reflexes, Great Cleave, Improved Bull Rush, Improved Critical, Improved Overrun, Improved Sunder, Iron Will, Point Blank Shot, Power Attack, Precise Shot

Typical Skills for Giants:
Climb, Craft, Intimidate, Jump, Listen, Spot

 

[freyar]

Those look good, though we should add more options on the feats, including epic ones.

We might add a berzerk rage to the table of abilities, so some of them can qualify for the epic rage feats.

We should specify how many abilities they each get.

 

[Shade]

I like the bererk rage option.

Here are the feats we gave Antaeus and Enceladus...

Antaeus : Awesome Blow, Cleave, Great Cleave, Endurance, Improved Bull Rush, Improved Critical (slam), Improved Sunder, Power Attack, Weapon Focus (slam)
Epic Feats: Epic Toughness, Epic Will, Legendary Wrestler (b)

Enceladus: Alertness, Awesome Blow, Cleave, Great Cleave, Improved Bull Rush, Improved Critical (slam), Improved Initiative, Improved Overrun, Improved Sunder, Iron Will, Power Attack, Weapon Focus (slam)
Epic Feats: Devastating Critical (slam), Epic Reflexes, Epic Will, Overwhelming Critical (slam), Superior Initiative

 

[Shade]

How's this?

Berserker: The gigantes gains the mighty rage and tireless rage abilities of a 20th-level barbarian. A gigantes with this trait should consider the Chaotic Rage, Mighty Rage, Ruinous Rage, Terrifying Rage, and Thundering Rage epic feats when selecting feats.

Skills: Choose from the following: Climb, Craft, Intimidate, Jump, Listen, Spot.

Feats: Choose from the following: Alertness, Awesome Blow, Cleave, Combat Reflexes, Great Cleave, Improved Bull Rush, Improved Critical, Improved Initiative, Improved Overrun, Improved Sunder, Iron Will, Point Blank Shot, Power Attack, Precise Shot, Snatch (if gigantes possesses animalistic traits), Weapon Focus (slam). A gigantes also may have a number of epic feats. Choose from the following list: Devastating Critical, Epic Reflexes, Epic Toughness, Epic Will, Legendary Wrestler, Overwhelming Critical, Superior Initiative. Epic feat slots may be filled with general feats.

 

[freyar]

I didn't count the feats, but I'll assume you have enough there. Looks good to me!

 

[Leopold]

Did you specifiy quantity of each type of feat and which ones were part of a chain or are we leaving that upto the DM to determine?

 

[Shade]

DM's discretion.

Yep, there are enough feats (and some can be taken multiple times, like Epic Toughness).

Updated.

Number of special traits equals HD divided by 10? That's 3 for Large and Huge, 4 for Gargantuan, and 4 or more for Colossal.

Environment: Any?
Organization: Solitary?
Treasure: Standard? (We should note in the born with armaments ability that those weapons and armor are in addition to its normal treasure)
Alignment: Usually chaotic evil?

 

[freyar]

That all sounds good. Enceladus is a little off compared to the other Colossal gigantes (only 2 SAs from the list). Though he clerely seems to have animalistic features, he doesn't have the bite or claw, either. I suppose we could swap his DR 10/epic for DR 20/-, and then he'd be ok. His ability scores are a little off, too. Want to redo him as an example?

Looking at the CC versions of Antaeus and Enceladus, I notice both have resistance to acid 5. Let's make that standard for gigantes.

 

[Shade]

Excellent suggestions!

Let's leave Ency as his own entry, though (we can fix him to match the "template", though). Let's pick one of the others that hasn't received stats yet as our sample.

Updated.

CR 21 for Large, 22 for Huge, 24 for Gargantuan, and 25 for Colossal?

 

[freyar]

Sounds good.

Like I've said before, I don't have a lot of experience at such high CRs, but that sounds reasonable. It would match Antaeus and be just one off for Enceladus (and he might be due for a bump after we fix him anyway, except for his loss of Con).