Special Conversion Thread: Finishing off giants and their kin

[Shade]

Absolutely! Back to the sample critter?

 

[freyar]

We need to specify # of special abilities. You suggested "Number of special traits equals HD divided by 10? That's 3 for Large and Huge, 4 for Gargantuan, and 4 or more for Colossal." That seems good for me.

We should also specify SR. What % do you think? 50% or CR+10? Or less?

Then I think we're good for our sample.

 

[Shade]

Good points.

50% equals CR + 11, which works fine for me. Or, take the base CR for each size and add 11? Thus, Large = 32, Huge = 33, Gargantuan = 34, Colossal = 35?

 

[freyar]

Let's take the base CR and add 11. Easier for the DM, I think.

 

[Shade]

Updated.

Here's a start for Alcyoneus...

Alcyoneus
Colossal Giant
Hit Dice: 45d8+585 (787 hp)
Initiative: +0
Speed: 40 ft. (8 squares)
Armor Class: 36 (-8 size, +27 natural, +3 breastplate), touch 2, flat-footed 36
Base Attack/Grapple: +33/+72
Attack: Oversized +3 longspear +51 melee (8d6+37/x3) or slam +48 melee (4d6+23) or rock +26 ranged (6d6+23)
Full Attack: +3 longspear +51/+46/+41/+36 melee (8d6+37/x3) or 2 slams +48 melee (4d6+23) or rock +26 ranged (6d6+23)
Space/Reach: 30 ft./30 ft. (35 ft. w/longspear)
Special Attacks: Rock throwing
Special Qualities: Low-light vision, resistance to acid 5, rock catching, specialized powers (born with armaments, oversized weapon, 2 more)
Saves: Fort +37, Ref +15, Will +15
Abilities: Str 56, Dex 10, Con 36, Int 8, Wis 11, Cha 12
Skills: 48 (see below)
Feats: 16 (9 can be epic)(see below)
Environment: Any
Organization: Solitary
Challenge Rating: 25
Treasure: Standard (in addition to arms and armor above)
Alignment: Usually chaotic evil
Advancement: 46+ (Colossal)
Level Adjustment: —

Born with Armaments: Alcyoneus was born armed with a +3 longspear and a +3 breastplate.

Oversized Weapon (Ex): The gigantes can wields a weapon sized for a creature one size larger without penalty.

I think we need to note in oversized weapons that it applies only to manufactured weapons, and not the gigantes natural attacks. What about thrown rocks, though?

 

[freyar]

Let's not let it apply to rocks, I think. (That reminds me, we should list the size of rocks for Gargantuan and Colossal gigantes.)

Another thought: their damage is pretty high already, but why not add Imp Natural Attack to the list of feats? Normally I don't like it for "standard" monsters, but these guys are all customized anyway.

For Alcyoneus, I think I like Physically Dominating or Mental Giant (he's an elite gigantes, after all) and either SR or Born to Fight. Vaguely seems to fit the mythology.

 

[Leopold]

pass on thrown rocks. Only the stuff it carries around. I'd shudder to see this guy on a mountain side picking up normal rocks and making them Uber.

are we statting out all the Named giants?

 

[freyar]

I'm a little confused what you mean about the thrown rocks. In any case, I think we absolutely should keep rock throwing. After all, these are quintessential giants. Also, if you check the wikipedia entry, you see Alcyoneus (our sample) throwing a big ol' boulder.

I think we're just going to do one sample (and maybe clean up the other two that are already in the CC).

 

[Shade]

What freyar said.

 

[Leopold]

I'm a little confused what you mean about the thrown rocks. In any case, I think we absolutely should keep rock throwing. After all, these are quintessential giants. Also, if you check the wikipedia entry, you see Alcyoneus (our sample) throwing a big ol' boulder.

I think we're just going to do one sample (and maybe clean up the other two that are already in the CC).

I was agree with you in regards to not making the rock throwing a super power, just regular ole rock throwing re: your prior post.

Let's not let it apply to rocks, I think. (That reminds me, we should list the size of rocks for Gargantuan and Colossal gigantes.)