demiurge1138
Inventor of Super-Toast
The ability scores are right, give them ordinary hold person (none of this mass stuff), unarmed strikes like a monk and Stunning Fist.
Special Conversion Thread: Supernatural Familiars
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Shade
Monster Junkie
I agree. Simplifying to just plain hold person (a 3rd-level spell in its own right) keeps it in line with the imp, quasit, and galadur.
Updated.
For the feign death, just go with this part?
Feign Death (Su): A tabur can place itself in a cataleptic state that is impossible to distinguish from death. Although able to smell, hear, and know what is going on, the tabur is blind and has no sense of touch or pain. Its breathing is slowed to the point of being undetectable.
Rather than make it impossible, perhaps a Spot check opposed by a Disguise check for the tabur (with a huge racial bonus)?
Updated.
For the feign death, just go with this part?
Feign Death (Su): A tabur can place itself in a cataleptic state that is impossible to distinguish from death. Although able to smell, hear, and know what is going on, the tabur is blind and has no sense of touch or pain. Its breathing is slowed to the point of being undetectable.
Rather than make it impossible, perhaps a Spot check opposed by a Disguise check for the tabur (with a huge racial bonus)?
demiurge1138
Inventor of Super-Toast
Make it a Heal check compared to a Spot.
Shade
Monster Junkie
Revising...
Feign Death (Su): A tabur can place itself in a cataleptic state that is nearly impossible to distinguish from death. Although able to smell, hear, and know what is going on, the tabur is blind and has no sense of touch or pain. Its breathing is slowed to the point of being undetectable.
A creature examining the tabur may attempt a Heal check opposed by the tabur's Disguise check to detect the ruse. The tabur gains a +10 racial bonus on Disguise checks to feign death.
Feign Death (Su): A tabur can place itself in a cataleptic state that is nearly impossible to distinguish from death. Although able to smell, hear, and know what is going on, the tabur is blind and has no sense of touch or pain. Its breathing is slowed to the point of being undetectable.
A creature examining the tabur may attempt a Heal check opposed by the tabur's Disguise check to detect the ruse. The tabur gains a +10 racial bonus on Disguise checks to feign death.
Cleon
Legend
That looks pretty good to me. I was going to suggest using the Heal skill, but demiurge beat me to it.
I'd think the bonus would be more likely to be enhancement or circumstance than racial, and +10 may be a little low if the Tabur does not have (m)any ranks in Disguise. Maybe increase it to +20, the same bonus invisibility gives to Hide?
freyar
Extradimensional Explorer
Invisibility doesn't actually give a +20 bonus to Hide, though, if I'm reading the rules correctly, only effectively by making it hard to Spot -- no Hide check needed, it's a flat DC.
So a +10 bonus gives an average Disguise check of 20 with no ranks or Cha bonus. That's the same as the easiest Spot check to notice an invisible creature is around. So we need to ask ourselves if that's what we want, or do we want the DC to be closer to an invisible creature holding still (DC 30). And we can adjust ranks, add another racial bonus to Disguise, etc.
As for the type of bonus, I think Shade is saying that taburs are racially good at feigning death, not that the Su ability is improving their ability to Disguise themselves. But I could really see any of these bonus types.
So a +10 bonus gives an average Disguise check of 20 with no ranks or Cha bonus. That's the same as the easiest Spot check to notice an invisible creature is around. So we need to ask ourselves if that's what we want, or do we want the DC to be closer to an invisible creature holding still (DC 30). And we can adjust ranks, add another racial bonus to Disguise, etc.
As for the type of bonus, I think Shade is saying that taburs are racially good at feigning death, not that the Su ability is improving their ability to Disguise themselves. But I could really see any of these bonus types.
Cleon
Legend
I interpret the Special Ability write up as saying there's a flat DC to be aware there's something invisible about, but to actually determine which square an invisible creature is in requires a Spot check at a +20 DC, where presumably the DC is based on the target's Hide check as per the normal Spot rules.
Shade
Monster Junkie
Let's shoot for results around DC 30.
Yep. Although I'm not bothered by swithing to circumstance. (Not a fan of enhancement in this case, though).
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