Speed and Haste stacking?

jontherev

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I'm curious if there is an official ruling on whether multiple weapons of speed work together, for example a VERY high level Fang of Lolth wielding 6 weapons of speed and getting an extra 6 attacks (17 attacks w/Expert Tactician). Forget the cost of the weapons, I just want to know the RULES.

I know Speed doesn't stack with Haste, and I also know the rule about spells or spell-like effects not stacking. However, as these are weapon enhancements, I *think* it would work. If not, they should've said so under the Speed description, or errata.

Also, if hasted, what benefits, if any, would you get while wielding a weapon of speed? I would assume, as long as you are not attacking, you would get all benefits. If attacking, you get +4 AC and that's it. You can choose each round whether to take an extra partial action, or attack using the weapon. Is this right?

Before you go screaming munchkin who is spending more gold than the DMG says you can spend, humor me. This is just a question about the rules and I don't even plan to use a pc like this.

Also, are these extra attacks considered free actions? If so, the DM would be free (w/o resorting to rule zero) to limit them to whatever number of free actions she/he deemed appropriate.

If interested, I do have a decent smackdown of a 20th level FoL doing average damage of 285 vs. AC 35, OR avg. damage of 246 vs. AC 35 using shortswords +5 instead of weapons of speed. I posted it in the smackdown thread, but since then I've changed it a bit, so I may just edit that one. I know other smackdowns are better, but this one is tres cool.:cool: Reminds me of that old Type ? Demon from long ago. Remember the chic with the six (or four?) arms wielding swords?
 

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Speed/Haste Stacking

A note about weapons with the speed enhancement and stacking with Haste.

This was discussed at great length last year, I belive that what "speed doesn't stack with haste" means, is that you can't get an extra attack in both your extra partial action and your normal action. IMC, I allow players to choose either action to take the extra attack due to speed, but some DMs may want to insist that the extra attack can only be taken during their regular action.

- Al
 

jontherev said:
I'm curious if there is an official ruling on whether multiple weapons of speed work together, for example a VERY high level Fang of Lolth wielding 6 weapons of speed and getting an extra 6 attacks (17 attacks w/Expert Tactician). Forget the cost of the weapons, I just want to know the RULES.

According to the rules, each Speed weapon would grant an extra attack whenever you take an attack action. (So they generate the extra attacks even on an Standard Attack action, not just a Full Attack Action). This has been confirmed by the Sage.

According to the Sage, if you are hasted and choose to use the extra Partial Action from haste, you lose all the extra attacks the Speed weapons would generate.

I think that's silly, but that's the Sages ruling. (I think the "does not stack with haste" simply means that you can't benefit from the Speed weapons a second time if you attack during the haste action.)

In either case, you would still have the +4 AC bonus from haste, you would just lose the extra partial action from haste.
 
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Here's an idea. I know someone is compiling a site with all these ambigious rules on them. Do you think Morrus would post one of his announcement things here in the rules forum directing people to this great site? I think it would help to answer a lot of people's questions since we do get the same questions over and over agian.

Edit: Same thing can happen with the compilation of Sage Advice that someone is doing.
 
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Crothian said:
Here's an idea. I know someone is compiling a site with all these ambigious rules on them. Do you think Morrus would post one of his announcement things here in the rules forum directing people to this great site? I think it would help to answer a lot of people's questions since we do get the same questions over and over agian.

Edit: Same thing can happen with the compilation of Sage Advice that someone is doing.

Good idea. I remember this thread from a while back, but I didn't read it.:( No search function...
 

Re: Re: Speed and Haste stacking?

Caliban said:
According to the rules, each Speed weapon would grant an extra attack whenever you take an attack action. (So they generate the extra attacks even on an Standard Attack action, not just a Full Attack Action). This has been confirmed by the Sage.

Nope. He confirmed that you get your primary speed attack on a standard attack action and a full-attack action, but you can only get your offhand speed attacks on a full-attack action, as you must be attacking with your offhand.
 

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kreynolds said:


Nope. He confirmed that you get your primary speed attack on a standard attack action and a full-attack action, but you can only get your offhand speed attacks on a full-attack action, as you must be attacking with your offhand.

Do what I mean, not what I say. :p
 




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