Speed Enchantment and Two Weapon Fighting

[Crothian]

Go k go...

go k go...


go k go...

Don't encourage him

 

[Kae'Yoss]

What kreynolds said.

Except that IMHO more than one attack always forces you to use the full attack action.


In fact, the Quarterstaff of Alacrity from ELH is a double weapon with speed at every end, and it says you get an additional attack in every hand.

 

[kreynolds]

Except that IMHO more than one attack always forces you to use the full attack action.

That's what I said.

 

[Pax]

1. If a character wields a speed weapon, he may make one additional attack, at his highest attack bonus, with it at any point during his action (including during a spring attack).
2. The above applies for each speed weapon a character wields. Two speed weapons yields two attacks.
3. If a character makes one or more additional attacks due to speed weapons, he may not take an additional partial action due to haste.

I disagree with #3, personally -- but not 100% disagree.

Using the Speed attacks, shoudl not preclude ANY Partial Actiosn from haste.

IMO, and IMC, the effect would be to count any Speed-bonus extra attacks against the number of attacks the characetr could perform during the Partial Action (IOW, using them would preclude using the Haste partial action to ATTACK).

They could still move, or if a spellcaster cast a spell, or so on. It's just that the WEAPON is not further accelerated by the Haste spell, and is ALREADY fast enough that acceleratign the CHARACTER, won't result in stacking the speed boosts.

 

[Mordeth]

<--- confused

That's what I said.

Ok, you said above that anytime you take an attack action , you get the speed attack, primary only anyway, unless full round attack.

Now you just said to get more than one attack, you must use the full attack action. Doesnt that contradict what you posted earlier?

Or, does the speed attack act like the attacks from the Manyshot feat <man I am hung up on this feat for some reason>. Basicly, you get extra attacks, but the you are using a single attack action?

I think I know what ya mean, and I agree with ya, but this stems back to the old "How many attacks can you get with a single attack, and still drink a beer " arguement

 

[kreynolds]

I disagree with #3, personally -- but not 100% disagree.

Actually, you do in fact 100% disagree with #3, even though you may think you disagree only somewhat. Speed and Haste do not stack in any way. If you use a speed weapon, you can't use a haste partial action, no matter what the action is. If you use a haste partial action, no matter what the action is, you can't use the extra attack from a speed weapon.

This is not meant to simply prevent you from getting that extra attack. It is to prevent you from doing anything else, whether it be moving, casting a spell, attacking, retrieving an item, activating a magic item, etc.

If you allow someone to use a speed weapon(s) and still allow them to perform an action (any action) using haste, then you most certainly go completely against #3. Just making sure everyone's clear.

 

[kreynolds]

Re: <--- confused

Ok, you said above that anytime you take an attack action , you get the speed attack, primary only anyway, unless full round attack.

Now you just said to get more than one attack, you must use the full attack action.

That's right. Anytime you take an attack action, you get the speed attack. I then further explained how you get both speed attacks. My first answer was in regards to his question about the mechanics. I addressed those mechanics. The second answer I gave was a specific one.

Doesnt that contradict what you posted earlier?

Only if it is misread.

Or, does the speed attack act like the attacks from the Manyshot feat <man I am hung up on this feat for some reason>. Basicly, you get extra attacks, but the you are using a single attack action?

You have two weapons of speed. To get the extra attack with your primary hand, you need only swing with your primary hand. To get the extra attack with your off-hand, you need only swing your off-hand. You can't swing with both your primary hand and your off-hand unless you take the full-attack action, thus you cannot get both extra speed attacks unless you take tthe full-attack action.

Not sure if that answers your question though.

 

[Coredump]

Kr, I think the difference is that you said that taking a regular attack, and getting only one attack, lets you also get the second attack from the speed weapon.

KAeyoss was saying that even that scenario would take a full round action. IOW, if you get more than one attack, for *any* reason, it takes a full round attack.


I am not stating an opinion, just clarifying. (I think)

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[kreynolds]

Kr, I think the difference is that you said that taking a regular attack, and getting only one attack, lets you also get the second attack from the speed weapon.

Taking a single attack will in fact grant you the extra attack from a speed weapon.

 

[Plane Sailing]

For some stupid reason it never occured to me that a speed weapon would give you an extra attack even on a standard action. I couldn't for the life of me work out why it was such an expensive ability... now it is all clear!