D&D 3E/3.5 Spells (3.5) that prevent resurrection?

Artoomis said:
I personally would rule that the person is dead if you do enough damage to the statue that a Stone to Flesh would reveal only a dead, mishapen body.
That's a fine house rule, but it directly contradicts rules as written.
 

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Zurai said:
That's a fine house rule, but it directly contradicts rules as written.

No, it does not. The rules, as written, don't address the situation, precisely. It's arguable, of course.

But let's not argue about that. Bottom line: enough info is presented herein for a DM to make a decision on how to rule.
 

Artoomis said:
No, it does not. The rules, as written, don't address the situation, precisely. It's arguable, of course.
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. "The creature is not dead" seems pretty clear RAW to me.
 


Zurai said:
That's a fine house rule, but it directly contradicts rules as written.


Please see the "Please remain civil" thread at the top of the forum. Specifically: This post from Morrus

In essence: saying, "that's a fine house rule," is generally taken as dismissive. It is an assertion without solid support, a piece of commentary that tends to carry a value judgment - but it doesn't actually support your case. So, please leave it out. Thank you.
 

Artoomis said:
leaving the "victim" as a statue is good, but Discern Location will find the statue (as it is also still the person) and thus they can be brought back.

Discern Location will reveal that "the petrified Mr. X is in Astral Plane" but that is all. Basically there is no "point", "location", or more specific name of place in Astral plane.

Or, you can put a statue somewhere very dangerous to go. Say, in the middle of negative energy plane.

Of course, there are ways. But if we include Miracle and Wish as options, anything might be possible anyway.
 

Shin Okada said:
Discern Location will reveal that "the petrified Mr. X is in Astral Plane" but that is all. Basically there is no "point", "location", or more specific name of place in Astral plane.

Or, you can put a statue somewhere very dangerous to go. Say, in the middle of negative energy plane.

Of course, there are ways. But if we include Miracle and Wish as options, anything might be possible anyway.
If Wish is an option, getting the body back is even on the safe list - "transport travelers" - and it includes the nifty phrase "regardless of local conditions".

If your target still exists, Wish can retrieve whatever's left, without going outside the bounds of the safe list.
 

Zurai said:
Yes, it does. Read Flesh to Stone.
You cannot Resurrect something that isn't dead. Something that's petrified is not considered dead, even if the statue has sustained damage that would be lethal if the statue were alive. Since the statue is reduced to a handful of fine dust by Disintegrate, there's nothing to Stone to Flesh back into a flesh-and-blood being. Thus, perma-death, barring Wish or Miracle to undo the disintegration.

What is it the dust of? stone? you can totally stone to flesh dust if the dust is made of stone. if you didnt reassemble it youd get a creature goop though. but the goop could be raised.

even if you mix it into your floor. as its not dead, they could still detect it just like when it was a statue, they could stone to flesh your transmogrified stone into little bits of corpse, and then resurrect it.

they wouldn't actually be "dead" until you stone to fleshed them, but you could detect the stone dust just as easily as a statue, cause as you said, they aren't dead (yet).
 

Zurai said:
Since the statue is reduced to a handful of fine dust by Disintegrate, there's nothing to Stone to Flesh back into a flesh-and-blood being. Thus, perma-death, barring Wish or Miracle to undo the disintegration.
I'd definitively say that fine dust is still stone, thus subject to Stone to Flesh, which would make a very soft meat pudding, suitable for Resurrection.
 

I remember there being a spell in Relics and Rituals that shattered the soul. You could resurrect the victim, if you reassembled the soul (a daunting task.)
I've forgotten the name of the 9th level spell, however.
 

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