Spider-Man 3 Villain

[CrusaderX]

Plus, he's the epitome of the done-to-death Marvel cliche of "EXTREME" versions of their characters. Only then, he proved to be not EXTREME enough, so they went and made Carnage. Ack!

Marvel has recently taken it to the EXTREME again. Now there's a third major symbiote, named Toxin, who's getting his own miniseries.

Seriously.

 

[Mouseferatu]

For those of us who gave up comics a while back, what is the "Ultimates" origin of Venom?

 

[Jeremy Ackerman-Yost]

Marvel has recently taken it to the EXTREME again. Now there's a third major symbiote, named Toxin, who's getting his own miniseries.

Seriously.

<sigh> As if the continuity gap wasn't enough to keep me from ever picking up a superhero comic again, they have to perpetuate their stupidity to the nth degree.

...grumble.... back in MY day.... blah.. blah...

 

[Staffan]

For those of us who gave up comics a while back, what is the "Ultimates" origin of Venom?

I don't recall it exactly, but basically the symbiote is an experiment in treating cancer that Peter's father worked on along with Eddie Brock's father (Eddie Brock is a college student, BTW). Peter finds it in a canister in a lab or something, tries it on, and becomes stronger, faster, tougher when he wears it. However, after a while (within the span of one comic book IIRC) he realizes that it's also doing stuff to his mind, so he forces the symbiote off him. Then the symbiote searches out Eddie instead (presumably he was pretty close to where Eddie was).

 

[Mouseferatu]

I don't recall it exactly, but basically the symbiote is an experiment in treating cancer that Peter's father worked on along with Eddie Brock's father (Eddie Brock is a college student, BTW). Peter finds it in a canister in a lab or something, tries it on, and becomes stronger, faster, tougher when he wears it. However, after a while (within the span of one comic book IIRC) he realizes that it's also doing stuff to his mind, so he forces the symbiote off him. Then the symbiote searches out Eddie instead (presumably he was pretty close to where Eddie was).

Wow, that's... Dumb.

Unnecessary link to Peter's parents? Check. (I'm not a fan of bringing weirdness into character's relatives' backstory unless it's absolutely necessary; I can never get past the sheer coindicence of it all.)

Compaction of what could have been a long-term plot-point and character development into the smallest span of time possible? Check.

Was there at least some long-standing grudge between Eddie and Peter, or did they ditch that, too?

I don't understand the whole Ultimates thing. I admit I haven't read them in detail, but everything I've picked up and flipped through, and everything I've heard, is just far less interesting than the original versions of the characters. :\

Appreciate the response, though.

 

[Tonguez]

Marvel has recently taken it to the EXTREME again. Now there's a third major symbiote, named Toxin, who's getting his own miniseries.

Seriously.

Ack no wonder I haven't read any comics since Swamp Thing finished

No way Haden-Church is gonna be Black Cat!

Lol yes um

 

[Staffan]

As I check plot summaries online, I see I wasn't entirely correct before. So, for your edification, I present links to those plot summaries:
#33: http://www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com/reviews/104181393787716.htm
#34: http://www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com/reviews/1042496438320.htm
#35: http://www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com/reviews/104380151184713.htm
#36: http://www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com/reviews/104526781985955.htm
#37: http://www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com/reviews/104759285124110.htm
#38: http://www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com/reviews/104940738469648.htm

 

[Psychic Warrior]

Both are good Villains individually, but I really think that the Batman franchise has proven that doubling your villains is a BAD IDEA. Besides that, IME, the Spidey movies need to spend their time on developing the core characters, not on extraneous villain exposition.

I think Kraven and Lizard are actually a good match up. Mr Freeze and Poison Ivy (or Two Face and The Riddler for that matter) were terrible - they had no common ground. Kraven could have 'tamed' the Lizard and now uses him as a hunting 'dog'. If I had to pick just one I would defiantely say Kraven though they would hopefully update his wardrobe.

Venom/Carnage (Toxin?) are bland and boring to me. Spiderman villians should have a deeper psychological side to them beyond 'I kill people so that makes me ba-a-a-d!'

 

[John Crichton]

I like Venom (I wouldn't bet on him being in a Raimi directed Spidey) but Church looks right for Sandman and Kraven. Either are ok with me.

 

[Frostmarrow]

Wow, that's... Dumb.

Unnecessary link to Peter's parents? Check. (I'm not a fan of bringing weirdness into character's relatives' backstory unless it's absolutely necessary; I can never get past the sheer coindicence of it all.)

Compaction of what could have been a long-term plot-point and character development into the smallest span of time possible? Check.

Was there at least some long-standing grudge between Eddie and Peter, or did they ditch that, too?

I don't understand the whole Ultimates thing. I admit I haven't read them in detail, but everything I've picked up and flipped through, and everything I've heard, is just far less interesting than the original versions of the characters. :\

Appreciate the response, though.

Wasn't Peter Parker's parents government-agents killed by the Red Skull (or something*) on a mission in Latin America? Looks like Peter's dad was also a medical research scientist.

* I just remember it was a dude with a red skull for a head.



My favorite was always Kraven, however I can't make him fit the 21st century in my mind. I don't think he'd fit in the movies either. I'd go for the astronaut plot with JJJ as the scheming villain and his son as the violent one. And with Connors/Lizard thrown in for a brief combat encounter, of course.