Splatbooks to Beware of?

[Rystil Arden]

Persistent Divine Power
Persistent Wraith Strike

Persistent Spell is useless for nine out of ten spells that it would work on and horribly, obscenely broken for the rest. With or without Divine Metamagic, the feat does not belong in the game.

That said, I don't think much of Divine Metamagic or the Sudden feats either. Once (or more with Divine Metamagic) per day perform like a caster four to six levels higher than you is asking to toss game balance out the window. Either you balance for the PCs normal output and get wasted when he turns on the juice or you balance for the x/day output and wax the PCs when they don't figure out which is that one encounter per day that needs all the juice.

Persistent Divine Power is a spell that only epic casters can cast (level 19). Doesn't Wraith Strike only work for your next attack? I don't have CV with me. Even if it not, Persistenting it should work out as like Persistenting True Strike, since they are similar in style.

 

[ColonelHardisson]

I asked myself that a lot when browsing through the Frostburn book.

Bye
Thanee

Hey, it's one of my favorite recent WotC books. I see a lot of cool stuff (so to speak) in it. I've always been partial to cold settings.

 

[Timeboxer]

From the sound of things, however, no, I wouldn't allow it. (At least, assuming they can do that anytime they want. If they're limited to once or twice a day, I'd certainly consider it.)

3 + Int modifier per day uses. You can only metamagic things in this way if you are modifying someone else's spell while they are casting it (requiring a readied action), or on some existing persistent spell effect. The Spellcraft DCs can get absurdly high, though -- DC 18 + 3 * what-the-spell-slot-would-be-if-the-spell-were-metamagicked-with-what-you-want-to-metamagic-it-with.

 

[Timeboxer]

Immediate action, I thought.

Yes, an immediate action. And as I have been telling people for awhile: The Initiate of the Sevenfold Veil is strong for PCs, but broken for NPCs. Beware of using them against your players. For PCs, however, it's probably fine.

 

[Rystil Arden]

Yes, an immediate action. And as I have been telling people for awhile: The Initiate of the Sevenfold Veil is strong for PCs, but broken for NPCs. Beware of using them against your players. For PCs, however, it's probably fine.

Hmm...that could explain why my players had so much trouble with the Prismatic Titan/IotSV7

 

[Timeboxer]

Hmm...that could explain why my players had so much trouble with the Prismatic Titan/IotSV7

Wow, I can't tell if you're being snarky or serious here. >.>

 

[Rystil Arden]

Wow, I can't tell if you're being snarky or serious here. >.>

Dead serious Amy. Dead serious. If it weren't for their Staff of Gate to summon the Frenzied Berserker back from the three times he got banished to a random plane, they'd have lost for sure.

 

[Timeboxer]

Dead serious Amy. Dead serious. If it weren't for their Staff of Gate to summon the Frenzied Berserker back from the three times he got banished to a random plane, they'd have lost for sure.

Wow. I thought our party had it bad when the GM put us against an I7FV and a Frenzied Berserker.

Basically, the reason why the I7FV is okay for players is because of the entry requirements -- Spell Focus (Abjuration) and Greater Spell Focus (Abjuration) are completely useless feats, and I can only think of maybe two spells that they would apply to. And on top of that, the Veils are an n/day ability. This more or less balances out the power of the I7FV -- but only over time. For NPCs, since you only fight them for a battle or maybe two, the drawbacks of the class are minimized to, essentially, nothing, and the I7FV ends up being very powerful, because the drawbacks don't really matter to them and they can blow all of their Veil uses on just that battle.

 

[Rystil Arden]

Wow. I thought our party had it bad when the GM put us against an I7FV and a Frenzied Berserker.

Basically, the reason why the I7FV is okay for players is because of the entry requirements -- Spell Focus (Abjuration) and Greater Spell Focus (Abjuration) are completely useless feats, and I can only think of maybe two spells that they would apply to. And on top of that, the Veils are an n/day ability. This more or less balances out the power of the I7FV -- but only over time. For NPCs, since you only fight them for a battle or maybe two, the drawbacks of the class are minimized to, essentially, nothing, and the I7FV ends up being very powerful, because the drawbacks don't really matter to them and they can blow all of their Veil uses on just that battle.

Useless feats? Heehee, tell that to the PCs whom Themis Reciprocal Gyred to death They eventually convinced her to yield though. She was just a guardian, and even though she was winning, it was clear that the party were the people supposed to be there.

 

[Timeboxer]

Useless feats? Heehee, tell that to the PCs whom Themis Reciprocal Gyred to death

That was the exact spell that I was thinking of. >.> My abjuration-obsessed wizard is just waiting for the time when she can use that in battle.