[SPOILERS] THE Return of the King Thread

[KidCthulhu]

I didn't even get to put in my theory that Merry & Pippin paid the Balrog to whack Gandalf because Gandalf was gonna narc on their drug running!

See, now I heard this theory too, but I think Gandalf was into the pipe weed a little to heavy to be any real threat to MC-Merry and the Pipster. Gandalf was their bitch, and he knew it. The real threat was Saruman, who was threatening to cut their distribution lines and start flooding Rohan with his own supply of pipeweed. Look how he was stock piling the stuff.

Why do you think Pippin turned Treebeard around and pointed him at Isengard? I tell ya, it was a drive-by treeing.

 

[Vocenoctum]

See, now I heard this theory too, but I think Gandalf was into the pipe weed a little to heavy to be any real threat to MC-Merry and the Pipster. Gandalf was their bitch, and he knew it. The real threat was Saruman, who was threatening to cut their distribution lines and start flooding Rohan with his own supply of pipeweed. Look how he was stock piling the stuff.

Why do you think Pippin turned Treebeard around and pointed him at Isengard? I tell ya, it was a drive-by treeing.

See, I figured Saruman was The Man. The hobbits knew he was onto Gandalf's habit, and weren't sure if Gandalf could be trusted. He had to be removed from the scene.

When it became obvious Saruman was onto the scope of their operation (including masked riders of rohan running their stuff), they had to handle saruman. the delight they took in recovering their siezed goods was obvious.

Like in any cop drama, Saruman (once he is thrown down and kicked off the force but the corrupt Gandalf) goes rogue.

I can imagine the Scouring of the Shire had many deleted scene's of Saruman kicking in doors and saying "this time it's personal". The hobbits had to kill Wormtongue, since he was their inside man...

 

[Edena_of_Neith]

(Off Topic) Well then, what if ...

Ok, we all know that the Lord of the Nazgul could not be killed by a man.
We all know that a woman, Eowyn, and a hobbit, Merry, killed him.

But what if it was that audacious girl named Buffy, with her friends Willow, Tara, and Anya, who faced the Lord of the Nazgul on the Fields of the Pelennor?
Who would have won that battle?

And, what if it was Buffy who showed up to aid a wounded Frodo and his friends, instead of Glorfindel (or Arwen.)
Could she have saved him?

What if it was Buffy/Willow/Giles running the defenses of Helm's Deep, and not Theoden/Eomer/Aragorn? What would have happened then?

And, just what would have happened if Buffy and her friends had taken the Paths of the Dead?
Before you say she would have died, since she is not the Rightful Heir of Isildur, remember that this is the Undead Slayer we are talking about!

 

[Edena_of_Neith]

About that Oscar

Return of the King will not get the Oscar. Forget it, folks. It isn't happening.

Hollywood will, quite deliberately, go and find a film that nobody has ever heard of, nobody has ever seen, and which nobody is ever going to go to see, and give that film the Oscar.

My guess is that Hollywood will give Mystic River the Oscar. (There. Now, you have at least heard of the film in question.)

 

[WizarDru]

Return of the King will not get the Oscar. Forget it, folks. It isn't happening.

Hollywood will, quite deliberately, go and find a film that nobody has ever heard of, nobody has ever seen, and which nobody is ever going to go to see, and give that film the Oscar.

My guess is that Hollywood will give Mystic River the Oscar. (There. Now, you have at least heard of the film in question.)

Mystic River will never make the cut, especially since it wasn't terribly well recieved. Cold Mountain or Master and Commander are much stronger contenders...but I'm making the assumption that you're referring to the Best Picture Oscar, since it turns out they give out a bunch of the silly things.

 

[barsoomcore]

Hollywood will, quite deliberately, go and find a film that nobody has ever heard of, nobody has ever seen, and which nobody is ever going to go to see, and give that film the Oscar.

Right. Like...

Chicago, A Beautiful Mind, Gladiator, American Beauty, Shakespeare in Love, Titanic, The English Patient, Braveheart, Forrest Gump and Schindler's List (Just to list the last ten Best Picture winners). I mean, who ever heard of those films? Where'd they dig up those obscure, wee little pictures?



I certainly think RotK is a longshot for Best Picture for two reasons:

One, it's a fantasy picture with monsters. You can have swordfights in a Best Picture, but they must be swathed in a) historical Hollywood-accuracy an b) self-important political statements about how nice it is to be allowed to yell things like "Freedom!"

Two, it's directed by Peter Jackson, who is not a Hollywood director and produced the entire film outside of California. Not something the Academy necessarily wants to promote. Plus he's tubby and wears shorts all the time and so won't look as good on stage as, say, Clint Eastwood in a tuxedo.

 

[Morrus]

OK folks. I'll write this in orange to make sure people see this.

This is a great thread, and there are some people contributing to it in a valuable way. Unfortunately, some other people are ruining it for them. I'm not going to close the thread and ruin things for those behaving themselves - I'm just going to ruin it for those who can't be nice. I'm disgusted that a post about LotR could end up this way - it's hardly religion or politics.

So, from this post onwards, any snipes, smart-alec comments, insults etc. will result in the poster in question being banned for a week with no warning.

For those unclear about the rules, I'm going to explain the rule: This thread is to be used to discuss LotR in an amiable manner. It's a simple rule.

It is not to be used to discuss each others' conduct, messageboard rules or anything else. If you have a problem with a post, use the "Report Post" link; if you post about it in the thread then you'll get banned for a week as well as the original poster you were complaining about.

I hope that's clear. Now, let's discuss LotR, eh?

 

[demiurge1138]

See, I figured Saruman was The Man. The hobbits knew he was onto Gandalf's habit, and weren't sure if Gandalf could be trusted. He had to be removed from the scene.
When it became obvious Saruman was onto the scope of their operation (including masked riders of rohan running their stuff), they had to handle saruman. the delight they took in recovering their siezed goods was obvious.
Like in any cop drama, Saruman (once he is thrown down and kicked off the force but the corrupt Gandalf) goes rogue.
I can imagine the Scouring of the Shire had many deleted scene's of Saruman kicking in doors and saying "this time it's personal". The hobbits had to kill Wormtongue, since he was their inside man...

Saruman's not The Man. He's as addicted to pipeweed as any of them. But he conceals his addiction by belittling Gandalf's habit. As we know from the Flotsam and Jetsam scene, he's got a big stash of the Shire's Best in his pantry. That's why he takes over the Shire in the books. He wants to be Middle-Earth's kingpin, but Wormtongue, who probably also smokes, kills him as revenge for getting him hooked in the first place.

Demiurge out.

 

[Vocenoctum]

Saruman's not The Man. He's as addicted to pipeweed as any of them. But he conceals his addiction by belittling Gandalf's habit. As we know from the Flotsam and Jetsam scene, he's got a big stash of the Shire's Best in his pantry. That's why he takes over the Shire in the books. He wants to be Middle-Earth's kingpin, but Wormtongue, who probably also smokes, kills him as revenge for getting him hooked in the first place.

Demiurge out.

The aforementioned Evidence siezed from the hobbits was stored in an evidence locker in Orthanc's precinct house. the hobbits destroyed the entire building to get it. Many innocent orc-clerks were killed in their rampage.

 

[Adlon]

I think that one important thing was overlooked, as to WHO 'The Man' was....

'The Man' is one of the most careful individuals I've ever known of. He works behind the scenes. He avoids public appearance. He stays below the palantir (radar), yet, cannot be harmed by any of the super powerful magics known in Middle Earth.

Several individuals have met him, yet falied to realize that HE is 'The Man'. No one suspects.

Tom Bombadil. C'mon guys, how could you have NOT figured THAT out !!??