SRD 3.5 Competition

[Drawmack]

You sure about that? Before you answer, I want you to consider the implications of that blindly hurled remark of yours very carefully. Thanks.

okay let me rephrase that.

Speaking as someone who has been a professional web developer for several years. Any self-respecting professional web developer makes their product accessible by as many people as possible and therefore would never limit their audience by developing for a specific browser.

 

[Dimwhit]

Correction. It's not acceptable for 10% of the audience, but it's acceptable for the other 90%.

Well, as long as you realize that the one running this competition (i.e. me) comes from that 10%.

(Note the wink, because I'm kidding and it won't affect the judging at all--just want to make that clear. I do have other judges lined up, too.)

Really, though, modern Macs suffer almost zero compatibility issues with much of anything these days. Except for the few programs that aren't available. So I'm not even worried about having any problems. But I have a Windows machine at work just in case.

 

[Cergorach]

I would like to see a version available for Palm based PDAs (my poor old Handspring could use a workout). I think may try a Palm Version, or a HTML version, but we'll have to see.

(edit: stoopid spelinng)

I saw something pretty called plucker, it's supposed to be a palm thingy, but it seems that there's also a ce version. Would plucker format be acceptable?

 

[Drawmack]

Correction. It's not acceptable for 10% of the audience, but it's acceptable for the other 90%.

I stand by what I said earlier. The judges should test the HTML versions in every browser they can get their hands on. The only thing that I understand is not supporting older versions of browsers. Since the updates are free, as far as I know even the pay for browsers give you free upgrades, if doesn't make much sense not to upgrade.

I test every page I develop in IE, NS and Opera.

On top of that I validate my HTML and my CSS against the validators at w3c.

BTW: While we're on the discussion of compliance. Are all of you web developers aware that HTML has been depricated by w3c with xhtml being the replacement?

 

[Cergorach]

Well, as long as you realize that the one running this competition (i.e. me) comes from that 10%.

Although you made the comment with a smiley, most people that will be downloading the SRD wil not be your average internetter. I think that a large percentage of us will not use IE as our default browser, we're the odd bunch ;-)

 

[Cergorach]

BTW: While we're on the discussion of compliance. Are all of you web developers aware that HTML has been depricated by w3c with xhtml being the replacement?

Bah! Pure HTML pages are outdated anyway, dynamic pages (whether asp, jsp, or php) are where the future lies! I haven't made a 'pure' html page in over a year, things like phpnuke are so darned flexible. So unless your making a single page, i prefer to use php. But the customer is king, if they want html, they'll get html...

 

[The Harvester]

I really like Opera... imho it's the finest browser around.
But there are some page designers who implement the latest "put-your-mouse-over-here-and-you-get-eye-cancer(applet required)" which absolutely has no informational value... and they don't even bother to check if the page fuctions properly with other browsers.

I like the google-way: simple and functional.

If the page doesn't load properly under Opera or Mozilla, or just says "You need IE V8/Flash V.2017/Applet 'whatever' to view this page" I usually just think "Screw you" and move on to competent designed pages.

 

[Drawmack]

Bah! Pure HTML pages are outdated anyway, dynamic pages (whether asp, jsp, or php) are where the future lies! I haven't made a 'pure' html page in over a year, things like phpnuke are so darned flexible. So unless your making a single page, i prefer to use php. But the customer is king, if they want html, they'll get html...

okay and you might have some special thing but as far as I know cgi, php, asp, jsp all output html which is what the browser actually renders. As far as the brwoser is concerned that is just an html page, it's the server that sees it as something different. So you should still be concerned with this as your programs should be outputting xhtml and not html.

 

[Macbeth]

I googled plucker, and it seems that that would make any web page viewable on a Palm, making a Palm specific database pointless: you could just take the HTML version with plucker. Is there any reason for a Palm specific version with software like this available?

 

[woodelf]

For curiositys sake I want to ask you what you mean by IE dropping the ball with JPEGs and GIFs, I've never seen that before. Strike that - I have, but it was after my IE nosedived and had odd problems until i reinstalled it. (You know IE is fubar when it says it's version 0.0.0.00) w/ 0-bit encryption).

I don't know--this is 2nd-hand. I don't install MS products on my machine any more, because they have always caused me constant problems. However, when we were recently deciding on what we wanted to do about standards-compliance vs. IE-compliance, when hiring someone to redo our website, one of the other guys commented that IE on his machine was mysteriously failing to load a couple of JPEGs (reporting them as broken) that Photoshop, GraphicConverter, and a couple of MSWindows and Unix image viewers all dealt fine with--as well as other browsers we tried (Safari, Mozilla, at least). Don't know off the top of my head which images--sorry.