Spoilers Star Trek: Deep Space Nine

[jian]

It's also available to purchase on Youtube, if you feel any better about giving Google your cash.

Now it’s free on YouTube with ads, so I’m watching it. Ira Steven Behr is really rocking that blue beard, and Avery Brooks’ natural speech pattern is pretty trippy.

I feel really sorry for Marc Alaimo (Dukat) saying that nobody gave him any positive feedback for the first three seasons or so even though he was knocking it out of the park every time.

 

[Riley]

I feel really sorry for Marc Alaimo (Dukat) saying that nobody gave him any positive feedback for the first three seasons or so even though he was knocking it out of the park every time.

That seems so strange. He was so wonderfully, casually ruthless for years.

I didn’t care for the messianic turn the writers did to him at the end, but that’s their fault, not his.

 

[jian]

Now watching the discussion about whether they could do Kira the same way - an unrepentant former terrorist and yet an unambiguously heroic protagonist - after 9/11. It was easier to do that, Behr and Visitor think, when terrorism was something that happened to other people and the French Resistance was an unambiguously heroic myth.

 

[Arilyn]

Watched the documentary couple weeks ago. It's really good and insightful. Everyone seemed to really care about the show.

 

[Distracted DM]

Now watching the discussion about whether they could do Kira the same way - an unrepentant former terrorist and yet an unambiguously heroic protagonist - after 9/11. It was easier to do that, Behr and Visitor think, when terrorism was something that happened to other people and the French Resistance was an unambiguously heroic myth.

I mean, it's still frequently referenced in stuff like Lower Decks, Shaxs fighting the ghosts of his past "but what will you do against all your victims? All the Cardassian warriors getting their revenge." "they weren't warriors, they were occupiers!" and "Fighting fascism was a full-time job!" ...but that's definitely not nearly as serious and in-depth as DS9's was.

 

[pukunui]

Just getting around to (re)watching this series. Boy, is that pilot episode cringe! It picked up right away with episode 2 at least, but I am immediately reminded of why I didn’t like this show as much – the space station setting is too claustrophobic for my tastes.

EDIT: S1E4 Babel and S1E5 Captive Pursuit were quite enjoyable!

 

[payn]

Just getting around to (re)watching this series. Boy, is that pilot episode cringe! It picked up right away with episode 2 at least, but I am immediately reminded of why I didn’t like this show as much – the space station setting is too claustrophobic for my tastes.

EDIT: S1E4 Babel and S1E5 Captive Pursuit were quite enjoyable!

That’s nuts… I love the pilot.

 

[pukunui]

That’s nuts… I love the pilot.

I don't want to yuck anyone else's yum any more than I already have. I just found it really hard to watch. Part of it was just the awkwardness among the cast since the actors weren't familiar with each other yet ... that's something you see in many pilots.

I will say I did like Kira's longer hair better than the pixie cut, but otherwise I am enjoying the subsequent episodes better than the pilot. "Babel", with the aphasia virus, was fun(ny), and O'Brien hitting it off with Tosk in "Captive Pursuit" was fun. There's still a definite cosplay vibe to some of the show that I guess is just a byproduct of it having been made in the 90s.

Does that one jowly alien who is in like every episode but only ever walking through a scene or sitting down in Quark's or something ever get a name or any lines? Or is he just a sort of running background gag?

 

[payn]

I don't want to yuck anyone else's yum any more than I already have. I just found it really hard to watch. Part of it was just the awkwardness among the cast since the actors weren't familiar with each other yet ... that's something you see in many pilots.

I had a knee jerk reaction. When folks use "cringe" these days its usually becasue of something highly offensive and not the general sense.

I love the pilot becasue it works so well with the finale. It sets up the entire series despite it not really paying off for many seasons. Without that context, I suppose the episode looks a bit rough.

I will say I did like Kira's longer hair better than the pixie cut, but otherwise I am enjoying the subsequent episodes better than the pilot. "Babel", with the aphasia virus, was fun(ny), and O'Brien hitting it off with Tosk in "Captive Pursuit" was fun. There's still a definite cosplay vibe to some of the show that I guess is just a byproduct of it having been made in the 90s.

Yeah, i agree on Kira's hairstyle, though Nana Visitor is a great actor! I think the first two seasons were getting their feet under them. If I recall the Paramount network was pretty new at the time, and i'm sure that trickled into their programs.

Does that one jowly alien who is in like every episode but only ever walking through a scene or sitting down in Quark's or something ever get a name or any lines? Or is he just a sort of running background gag?

Thats Morn, and no he never says anything. Its a joke, Morn is Norm from cheers backwards.

 

[pukunui]

I had a knee jerk reaction. When folks use "cringe" these days its usually becasue of something highly offensive and not the general sense.

Ah! Sorry. I just meant "cringey" in the old sense.* I appreciated the story being told in the pilot. And I had completely forgotten that DS9 had started off orbiting Bajor but was moved to be near the wormhole!

*I am an elder millennial (old enough to remember when we were Gen Y!), but I have Gen Z and Gen Alpha children - some of their slang has rubbed off on me.

I love the pilot becasue it works so well with the finale. It sets up the entire series despite it not really paying off for many seasons. Without that context, I suppose the episode looks a bit rough.

Good to know! Thanks.

Yeah, i agree on Kira's hairstyle, though Nana Visitor is a great actor!

Yes, she is!

Thats Morn, and no he never says anything. Its a joke, Morn is Norm from cheers backwards.