Star Trek Strange New Worlds, what did you think?

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
When Kirk encountered them they appeared to be completely unknown to The Federation. Not even a rumour.

Incorrect. I just popped over to Paramount+ and watched a chunk of "The Arena". Early in the episode, when Kirk asks Spock about what creatures they might be facing, Spock notes there is no official information. "Nothing scientific," he says. But he does refer to "space legends" - which I think qualify as rumors, no?

Also, SNW is not the first to change Gorn continuity slightly. Captain Lorca had a Gorn skeleton on board Discovery.
 
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Ryujin

Legend
Incorrect. Early in the episode, when Kirk asks Spock about what creatures they might be facing, Spock notes there is no official information. "Nothing scientific," he says. But he does refer to "space legends" - which I think qualify as rumors, no?

Also, SNW is not the first to change Gorn continuity slightly. Captain Lorca had a Gorn skeleton on board Discovery.
The "space legends" were with respect to The Metrons who inhabited the system from which the Gorn were turning away, at the point that both ships were shut down. As to "Discovery", well I shouldn't have to comment on the show that is directly tied to this one, should I? A Gorn also appeared in "Enterprise" but that was in the Mirror Universe, in a Tholian facility.
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
The "space legends" were with respect to The Metrons who inhabited the system from which the Gorn were turning away, at the point that both ships were shut down.

Incorrect. The question is asked and answered at the beginning of the chase (about 14 minutes, 18 seconds into the episode). The Gorn ship is still moving at Warp 6, and the Metron's system has not yet been seen. In context, Kirk is asking hoping to get information about the Gorn, and Spock is replying to that inquiry.

You may choose to interpret that the space legends are solely about the Metrons, but Spock mentions the legends before the Metrons are present. Spock, at least thinks some of them might be about the Gorn. And who are we to nayasy Spock?

As to "Discovery", well I shouldn't have to comment on the show that is directly tied to this one, should I?

Dude, the complaint was that SNW was playing fast and loose with Trek lore. I'm noting that the barn door on this was opened several years ago. The lore was already changed, so this item really isn't "fast and loose" any more - it is now consistent with the adjusted canon - The Arena was the first official contact with the Federation, not the absolute first time any human had ever had any evidence of them.
 

Ryujin

Legend
Incorrect. The question is asked and answered at the beginning of the chase (about 14 minutes, 18 seconds into the episode). The Gorn ship is still moving at Warp 6, and the Metron's system has not yet been seen. In context, Kirk is asking hoping to get information about the Gorn, and Spock is replying to that inquiry.

You may choose to interpret that the space legends are solely about the Metrons, but Spock mentions the legends before the Metrons are present. Spock, at least thinks some of them might be about the Gorn. And who are we to nayasy Spock?
I'll have to rewatch the episode for verification of that.
Dude, the complaint was that SNW was playing fast and loose with Trek lore. I'm noting that the barn door on this was opened several years ago. The lore was already changed, so this item really isn't "fast and loose" any more - it is now consistent with the adjusted canon - The Arena was the first official contact with the Federation, not the absolute first time any human had ever had any evidence of them.
"Opening the barn door" on the show from which this one is a spin-off is a pretty low bar ;)
 

Arilyn

Hero
Incorrect. The question is asked and answered at the beginning of the chase (about 14 minutes, 18 seconds into the episode). The Gorn ship is still moving at Warp 6, and the Metron's system has not yet been seen. In context, Kirk is asking hoping to get information about the Gorn, and Spock is replying to that inquiry.
Are you part Vulcan? Just asking cause I as I read your reply I realized I had Spock's voice in my head. (Nimoy version) 😊
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
I'll have to rewatch the episode for verification of that.

I mean, I just said I did, to the point of beign able to quote the time down to within a second. If you don't trust that I can watch TV clearly... well fine then, don't trust me :)

"Opening the barn door" on the show from which this one is a spin-off is a pretty low bar ;)

I don't know what this is supposed to mean.
 

Ryujin

Legend
I mean, I just said I did, to the point of beign able to quote the time down to within a second. If you don't trust that I can watch TV clearly... well fine then, don't trust me :)

I don't know what this is supposed to mean.
It means that saying that the altered canon in a show, that is supported by the altered canon from which that show is a spin-off, doesn't really do anything more than showing that one show altered canon.
 

Hex08

Adventurer
It means that saying that the altered canon in a show, that is supported by the altered canon from which that show is a spin-off, doesn't really do anything more than showing that one show altered canon.
Maybe I'm missing something here but since that one show is part of the whole franchise then that one show altering canon means it's altered for the entire franchise, no? Someone can choose to ignore it as a fan and have their own "personal canon", but the franchise cannon is now changed.
 

Ryujin

Legend
Maybe I'm missing something here but since that one show is part of the whole franchise then that one show altering canon means it's altered for the entire franchise, no? Someone can choose to ignore it as a fan and have their own "personal canon", but the franchise cannon is now changed.
I was pointing out the change in canon. Then a supporting argument that it wasn't a change in canon was that the show from which this one was spun off had the same canon. I view that as pretty much saying that the canon is preexisting, because essentially the same show stated it previously.
 

Stalker0

Legend
I mean, there's canon and then there's canon. Anyone remember the Warp 5 speed limit introduced in TNG, does any ST show really follow that now?

I feel like there are going to be a few minor details that the new shows might alter a bit, but as long as it doesn't really change the core plot I am fine with it. Like if they said the Kitomer Accords never took place, THAT would be a huge change in canon. Changing what part of the Federation met the Gorn with a few years difference, yeah not that big a deal to me.
 

Mallus

Legend
Remember when the Romulans didn’t have FTL drives back in “Balance of Terror”? I guess theirs was a very small Star Empire. Minor canon tweaks can be a good thing!
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
It means that saying that the altered canon in a show, that is supported by the altered canon from which that show is a spin-off, doesn't really do anything more than showing that one show altered canon.

Harping on the "spin off" does not seem to be adding any meaning to the point. What's the purpose you have in repeating it?

Or, shall we talk about how the original canon had been set before most of the folks on this discussion board were born, and then left untouched. Is there some reason we are supposed to care?
 

Ryujin

Legend
Harping on the "spin off" does not seem to be adding any meaning to the point. What's the purpose you have in repeating it?

Or, shall we talk about how the original canon had been set before most of the folks on this discussion board were born, and then left untouched. Is there some reason we are supposed to care?
OK, I'm just going to let it lay now. I"m done.
 

JarooAshstaff

Explorer
Second episode is a bit brutal. Its like we are back to kids writing episodes again for adults. Characters making nonsensical out of character decisions. Cadets making fun of officers and acting more like young high school kids than elite cadets on the worlds premier star ship.
 

Vael

Hero
I loved this one. Uhura was really good, a good mix of youthful prickly bravado and insecurity, I enjoyed Pike in Dad mode hosting dinner. I'm more and more impressed with Ethan Peck's version of Spock.

And hot darn if Enterprise sailing through space dodging torpedoes is just a gorgeous look.
 

Mort

Legend
Supporter
Second episode is a bit brutal. Its like we are back to kids writing episodes again for adults. Characters making nonsensical out of character decisions. Cadets making fun of officers and acting more like young high school kids than elite cadets on the worlds premier star ship.

I think that's a bit harsh. The only instance where a cadet (there's just one featured) makes fun of an officer is in an informal setting and only after the officers had been ribbing/messing with her already.

The only possible nonsensical decision I can think of was
kirk being WAY to nonchalant and approaching the egg thingy
but that wasn't too bad.

As for the rest? I thought it was a great episode. Completely "star trek" situation on two different fronts.

The characters kept it professional but light (I really like Mount's take on Pike). And they even recognized in the dialogue that the situation itself was so deadly it was absurd.

Both this and the opening episode were really strong and if they keep this quality up, the series will be truly amazing.
 

Yora

Legend
Personally, I loved it. My spoiler free review is that I feel like I have watched my first real Star Trek show in decades. I like Picard and really enjoy Lower Decks but Strange New Worlds, I thought, really captured the feeling of Trek. It's not nearly as dark as Disco or Picard, visually or thematically. The casting is really good, Anson Mount especially, although Nurse Chapel seems like a totally different person. It does some fiddly things with the canon timeline but that doesn't bug me much. My only real complaint is the size of the ship, Enterprise looks really good but it's way too big
Really not knowing anything about the show except the title sounding familiar, does this mean this is a reboot of the Original Series?
 

Hex08

Adventurer
Really not knowing anything about the show except the title sounding familiar, does this mean this is a reboot of the Original Series?
It's a prequel to the original series. It's the adventures of the USS Enterprise under the command of Captain Pike, the commander before Captain Kirk.
 


Stalker0

Legend
Damn fine second episode, another winner. The dynamic between Spock and Uhura is solid. Spock is a classic boss motiff, he wants to do right by his people but he has trouble connecting, and he's "all business". But when he does connect, he really nails it, because he's such a strong person that people crave his respect. I have worked with many such people, and can really understand it.

I like how Pike is seeing his future as both a burden but also a "heroic responsibility". He's looking at the lives he will save and trying to take comfort that he goes out doing some real good. That's a great mentality, much for than the fatalistic outlook I had feared.

If I were to nitpick anything, its the "Uhura sings a different bar and suddenly gets the shields down". That pretty much comes out of left field, all she know is that it communicates with music but has no idea how to really communicate. But I feel that's kind of the difference between TOS and TNG styles, TOS was more seat of your pants "let it ride", whereas TNG was a bit more focused on coming out with rationales (even if it was technobabble).

Also major visual probs on the Enterprise flying through the cloud, and you can see the tiny shield deflections of the small asteroids off the ship. That was a really nice touch.
 

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