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Star Trek: Strange New Worlds

Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
OK, this is getting a little more personal than I'm comfortable with. I get where Jester David is coming from. No need to pile on.
 

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That sounds like a you problem to me, but you put it on them to make it a them problem because they're the ones who triggered you and they're the ones you condescend to.
I have many of my own problems. Many.

But I also just dislike conversing with people who can’t look critically at media and either reduce it to being the GOAT or the literal worst with no nuance between the extremes. It’s either 10/10 or 0/10.
Because there’s no conversation. It ends up just the same as “discussing” politics or religion.
 

trappedslider

Adventurer
Because I have an compulsion to reply back when people reply to me and get mild anxiety spikes when I don't as it feels like I'm leaving something undone. It slowly nags at me like a spreading itch I just can't scratch.
And I then repeatedly mentally continue the conversation for the next several hours until I finally break down and reply or managed to finally find something to get the conversation out of my head.
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Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
I have been reminded about that comic many times as I frantically type away at my iPad while in bed. There's a reason I left ENWorld and social media for a long time.
If it's any comfort, most every internet user shares that feeling. Some more than others, but a quick glance at social media will show that it's prevalent.
 

Dire Bare

Legend
Supporter
But I also just dislike conversing with people who can’t look critically at media and either reduce it to being the GOAT or the literal worst with no nuance between the extremes. It’s either 10/10 or 0/10.
Because there’s no conversation. It ends up just the same as “discussing” politics or religion.
Because some of us disagree with you on certain points, we can't look critically at media? Okay.

Personally, I'm a pretty big fan of Star Trek, but not to the point where I have an encyclopedic knowledge of the franchise. I've seen all the TV shows and movies, but I'm realizing now (as I have been doing a Next Gen re-watch) that there are tons of episodes I didn't catch when they first aired on TV, and tons more I almost completely forgot about in the decades since seeing it. I'm only now, during the quarantine, beginning to go back and power-stream the series episode-by-episode. I've occasionally read a Star Trek novel or comic, but not many. I have an Eaglemoss model of the U.S.S. Enterprise (Discovery-version) sitting on my shelf, and a more classic Enterprise model kit in my classroom. I just recently got back into Star Trek Online and I'm having a lot of fun with it (a fun, but highly imperfect game). And . . . that's about it. I'm a bigger fan than some, and a much smaller fan than others.

Star Trek is far from perfect. Some of the various episodes are downright awful, some entire seasons and even series are sub-par. Same for the movies. Most of the "prime directive" episodes work me up and piss me off . . . . But taken as a whole, I love it!

I've been really enjoying the new-Trek on CBS All Access including Discovery, Picard, and Short Treks . . . I've never enjoyed Trek more and the new series are my favorites out of the entire franchise so far. In fact, I'm more engaged with the Trek franchise than ever before, I'm going back and re-watching old episodes/movies and playing the online game all due to my excitement over new-Trek. I get that not everybody feels that way, that certain elements of the new series depart from classic Trek in various ways . . . . this really irks some fans, and others (like me) really dig it.

I don't always work hard at taking a critical eye to things that I simply just enjoy, like Star Trek. So? Every piece of media and art has its flaws, and they either bug you or they don't, doesn't mean you can't identify them or put the same importance to them that others do.

The idea that somehow my views and my enjoyment of Star Trek is somehow lesser, invalid, or completely uncritical is . . . well, it's pretty damn arrogant and insulting, quite frankly.

EDIT: Oh yeah, I'm really looking forward to Strange New Worlds and it's (hopeful) return to classic Trek storytelling and themes. No reason why Discovery, Picard, Lower Decks, and Strange New Worlds can't all exist and be enjoyed at once and by the same fans. I'm excited about ALL of it!
 

Hussar

Legend
Yeah, count me in the camp of I don't care too much about canon so long as the story is interesting. I mean, good grief, Star Trek is a horrible mess of contradictory canon anyway. Complaining about not following canon in Star Trek is like complaining about ignoring canon in Doctor Who. :erm:

REALLY looking forward to a more upbeat, exploration based Trek series. Very cool.
 


Zardnaar

Legend
I'm a casual Trek fan. DS9 is the only series watched in total. That's because my wife also liked it and it was easy to watch.

I also liked TNG movies and some if the show.

Bogged down season one if TNG, Enterprise and Discovery though.

Liked Picard, didn't like STD Season one that much, two was ok to good. Wife also liked Picard.

She's ruthless when it comes to TV. She won't put up with a meh season to get to the good stuff. Season 1. Her idea of good TV is Stargate Atlantis, Gilmore Girls, Justified, Breaking Bad, season 1-4 GoT.

Yes I watched Gilmore Girls;)
 

MrZeddaPiras

[insert something clever]
I've considered the All Access stuff as a soft reboot from the very beginning. That was obvious to me watching the pilot for Discovery. My problem is that the references to previous Trek keep distracting me: Klingons don't look and don't act like Klingons, Romulans look like elves and act like samurais. I would have enjoyed Picard way more if they'd used another, new species. Which means that I would have enjoyed it at least a little.
Then there's the character-driven narrative, that in my eyes makes it distinctly non-Star Trek but just about the same as everything else you see on television these days.
I would bet this new series will have a season long arc to find out some big, dark mystical secret, a couple of perfunctory self contained episodes, and that they will introduce young Kirk near the end. That would break canon (that I don't care about) but will give them the opportunity for the story of a young upstart fulfilling his destiny (just the thought makes me yawn). Anyway, I don't think I'll be watching but hey, if you like it like good for you 😅
 
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Dire Bare

Legend
Supporter
I've considered the All Access stuff as a soft reboot from the very beginning. That was obvious to me watching the pilot for Discovery. My problem is that the references to previous Trek keep distracting me: Klingons don't look and don't act like Klingons, Romulans look like elves and act like samurais. I would have enjoyed Picard way more if they'd used another, new species. Which means that I would have enjoyed it at least a little.
Then there's the character-driven narrative, that in my eyes makes it distinctly non-Star Trek but just about the same as everything else you see on television these days.
I would bet this new series will have a season long arc to find out some big, dark mystical secret, a couple of perfunctory self contained episodes, and that they will introduce young Kirk near the end. That would break canon (that I don't care about) but will give them the opportunity for the story of a young upstart fulfilling his destiny (just the thought makes me yawn). Anyway, I don't think I'll be watching but hey, if you like it like good for you 😅
Love it or not, that's cool, but try to look at some of the changes with a more open mind.

The Klingons from Discovery Season 1 definitely have a new aesthetic and were definitely one of the controversial elements of the show. But, um, it certainly isn't the first time the Klingons got a redesign, and its relatively mild compared to the first one! I would agree that the Klingon's looked different (physicality, costumes, ships), but I feel that they very much acted like Klingons. And in Discovery Season 2, the Klingons all decided to grow their hair back out, and looked pretty darn close to Next Gen Klingons at that point. After some time, the biggest differences were hairstyles (or the lack thereof), clothing styles, and ship designs.

In Picard, we were not really seeing a redesign of the Romulans, but rather corners of Romulan culture we had never seen before. Most of the Romulan fun prior to Picard was Warbirds staffed by angry Romulans with serious shoulder pads, now we are getting a look at Romulan civilian/refugee life, a religious monastery/assassin order, and a secret police within the secret police. The changes were additive, rather than transforming.

And ultimately, that's how I view most, if not all, of the changes in new-Trek so far. They aren't reimaginings or reboots, but expansions on existing lore. Which I love! Of course, reboot or expansion is independent of whether you personally care for the changes or not.

I find it's easier to enjoy new shows based on old franchises if you relax about things being changed, rebooted, expanded, or lacking a tight adherence to the minutiae of continuity. As long as the new show is fun, pushes the franchise in new directions, and respects what came before . . . . which I think new-Trek very much does . . . . I'm happy!
 

billd91

Hobbit on Quest
Every time someone does a prequel, they're engaging in some element of redefining and it can conflict with our previously held concept of the material. Discovery is no different. What distracted me most is they picked the most twiddled with target - Spock. He's an iconic character, so apparently nobody can resist messing with him. It's a bit like the Thieves World anthology - Lythande was such an interesting character with an important secret that none of the other authors could resist treading on them and that secret. It's my understanding it got so bad that the author removed her character from being further used in the anthology project.
 

Dire Bare

Legend
Supporter
Every time someone does a prequel, they're engaging in some element of redefining and it can conflict with our previously held concept of the material. Discovery is no different. What distracted me most is they picked the most twiddled with target - Spock. He's an iconic character, so apparently nobody can resist messing with him. It's a bit like the Thieves World anthology - Lythande was such an interesting character with an important secret that none of the other authors could resist treading on them and that secret. It's my understanding it got so bad that the author removed her character from being further used in the anthology project.
Spock is a fan-favorite, so, yeah. He got pulled into the Next Gen series, the Kelvin-verse movies (a two-fer!), and now Discovery . . . . I've loved every incarnation! Same reason why we keep seeing the Klingons as major antagonists with various degrees of redesign. Strange they haven't updated the look of the Pakleds and made them a major element of a new series . . . . ;)
 

billd91

Hobbit on Quest
Yeah, well sometimes it's a bit too much. I hope they avoid too much delving into his background in Strange New Worlds since we've had a lot of that so far and give us a chance to explore another character like Number One, Pike, or introduce someone like Gary Mitchell.
 

Ryujin

Adventurer
Love it or not, that's cool, but try to look at some of the changes with a more open mind.

The Klingons from Discovery Season 1 definitely have a new aesthetic and were definitely one of the controversial elements of the show. But, um, it certainly isn't the first time the Klingons got a redesign, and its relatively mild compared to the first one! I would agree that the Klingon's looked different (physicality, costumes, ships), but I feel that they very much acted like Klingons. And in Discovery Season 2, the Klingons all decided to grow their hair back out, and looked pretty darn close to Next Gen Klingons at that point. After some time, the biggest differences were hairstyles (or the lack thereof), clothing styles, and ship designs.

In Picard, we were not really seeing a redesign of the Romulans, but rather corners of Romulan culture we had never seen before. Most of the Romulan fun prior to Picard was Warbirds staffed by angry Romulans with serious shoulder pads, now we are getting a look at Romulan civilian/refugee life, a religious monastery/assassin order, and a secret police within the secret police. The changes were additive, rather than transforming.

And ultimately, that's how I view most, if not all, of the changes in new-Trek so far. They aren't reimaginings or reboots, but expansions on existing lore. Which I love! Of course, reboot or expansion is independent of whether you personally care for the changes or not.

I find it's easier to enjoy new shows based on old franchises if you relax about things being changed, rebooted, expanded, or lacking a tight adherence to the minutiae of continuity. As long as the new show is fun, pushes the franchise in new directions, and respects what came before . . . . which I think new-Trek very much does . . . . I'm happy!
Funny thing about the Klingon redesign is that the FASA backgrounders did an excellent job of explaining them, that got tossed out in subsequent stuff. They made Klingons be big on genetic engineering. Dealing with humans and more generally humanoid races on one frontier? You make Klingon-Human hybrids to deal with them. Romulans on another front? Well then you've got Klingon-Romulan hybrids on that side. And the guys with the turtles on their heads? They're pure-blooded Imperial Klingon stock.
 

Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
Love it or not, that's cool, but try to look at some of the changes with a more open mind.

The Klingons from Discovery Season 1 definitely have a new aesthetic and were definitely one of the controversial elements of the show. But, um, it certainly isn't the first time the Klingons got a redesign, and its relatively mild compared to the first one!
Indeed. It's the 4th Klingon design.

TOS
TPM/TNG
Abrahms
Disco
 

Dire Bare

Legend
Supporter
Funny thing about the Klingon redesign is that the FASA backgrounders did an excellent job of explaining them, that got tossed out in subsequent stuff. They made Klingons be big on genetic engineering. Dealing with humans and more generally humanoid races on one frontier? You make Klingon-Human hybrids to deal with them. Romulans on another front? Well then you've got Klingon-Romulan hybrids on that side. And the guys with the turtles on their heads? They're pure-blooded Imperial Klingon stock.
That's a pretty cool idea. I'm sure the Trek "expanded universe" is full of abandoned-but-neat ideas!

I don't know the details and too lazy to seek it out, but I'm fairly sure there is a canon or semi-canon explanation that explains the changes as some sort of genetic virus that swept through Klingon worlds during TOS era changing Klingons to look more human.

Really, it's all too much work! :) I like how they treated it in the DS9 episode when our heroes go back in time to Kirk's Enterprise and encounter all sorts of anachronisms, including Klingons who look very different from Worf! His response? "We don't talk about it." :)

Lately I've been a bit fascinated by the Trek "expanded universe" of novels and comics. Since none of these are ever considered canon, they often match up with canon when they are first published, but then become out-of-date as TV and movie Trek continues to expand. Newer novels/comics then ignore the elements of older books/comics, only themselves becoming out-of-sync with canon over time. So, if you went and read the thousands of Trek novels and comics that have been published over the decades they would not only be wildly inconsistent with canon, but even with each other! Nothing wrong with that, just interesting!
 

MrZeddaPiras

[insert something clever]
Love it or not, that's cool, but try to look at some of the changes with a more open mind.

The Klingons from Discovery Season 1 definitely have a new aesthetic and were definitely one of the controversial elements of the show. But, um, it certainly isn't the first time the Klingons got a redesign, and its relatively mild compared to the first one! I would agree that the Klingon's looked different (physicality, costumes, ships), but I feel that they very much acted like Klingons. And in Discovery Season 2, the Klingons all decided to grow their hair back out, and looked pretty darn close to Next Gen Klingons at that point. After some time, the biggest differences were hairstyles (or the lack thereof), clothing styles, and ship designs.

In Picard, we were not really seeing a redesign of the Romulans, but rather corners of Romulan culture we had never seen before. Most of the Romulan fun prior to Picard was Warbirds staffed by angry Romulans with serious shoulder pads, now we are getting a look at Romulan civilian/refugee life, a religious monastery/assassin order, and a secret police within the secret police. The changes were additive, rather than transforming.
Eh, not really. The aesthetic changes don't bother me, though I don't love them either. But '90 Trek depicted the Klingons as a violent but functional society. These are fanatics and savages. So much so that that the human (and humane) solution to defeat them is to
give a weapon of mass destruction to one of them so she can become a dictator and get them off the Federation's back.

Same goes for the Romulans. They are supposed to be a large galactic civilization, but that element was downplayed because the "rescue armada" narrative would not have made sense otherwise. Regarding the samurai nuns, I'm sorry but they make just as much sense as they would in real life. There was melee combat in Star Trek, but never with the assumption that someone good enough with a sword could forfeit modern ranged weapons. Not even Klingons did that. That's a huge tonal shift. And again, that just makes new Trek just more of the same-action-fantasy sci-fi we see these days.
 

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