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Star Trek TNG Re-watch

Mercurius

Legend
A few weeks ago I started binge re-watching Star Trek: The Next Generation, which while I've seen probably 80% of the episodes, never seen all the way through and haven't really watched much of since it came out.

First of all, while Season One is famously sub-par, I actually thought S2 was worse, or at least not better enough to make up for the loss of that fresh feeling. I'm now deep into S3 and there seems to be a marked improvement.

Secondly, the show is good. Sometimes really good, and in stark contrast to the shows of the last couple decades in terms of its optimism and big-thinking. I can contrast this with the show Sharp Objects, which I just watched and enjoyed, but--while a very different genre--was just so damn dark and depressing, with no sense of hope about humanity. I really like the fact that Gene Roddenberry tried to depict a future humanity that had actually evolved in terms of culture and relationships, not just technologically. Most of all, it is really fun to watch a show not focused on human pathos or trauma, but Big Ideas.

Anyhow, I plan to continue my Startrekaganza for months to come, watching the rest of TNG and re-watching the films and then moving on to Picard, which I still haven't seen. After that, I'll play it by ear. I might go back and finish the first season of Discovery, watch the second season, or maybe dive into either Deep Space Nine (which I never watched a full episode of) or Voyager (which I only watched the first season of). I may or may not try Enterprise. I love the original series, but have watched some of those more recently.
 

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fba827

Adventurer
Yeah, season 2 TNG, I’ve seen each of those episodes once, only. Aside from stories and pacing, I don’t know if it was the character or the actress delivery, but I was just bothered anytime dr Pulaski spoke.
 

ccs

40th lv DM
Ok, since you've seen S1 of Voyager, you already know you'll have to tough it out for a bit until it improves. If you can get through S2? Then things improve S3+ (when the writers start getting creative with the hologram doctor).
 

Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
Yeah, TNG was pretty dire until s3 or 4. The early uniforms and cruddy CGI didn't help, either. And how young does everybody look? Yikes! Riker's a baby!
 

Zardnaar

Legend
We tried as non trekkies a couple of years ago and got bogged down early season 1.

Never really got that from DS9 and we managed to get through and enjoy it a lot.

I've had trekkies recommend just to skip to season 3.
 

I try to avoid any Next Gen where Riker hasn't adopted a beard yet. There's a reason the reverse of the 'jump the shark' trope is called "Riker's Beard"

I am generally more of a DS9 person myself because as soemone said, it shows the Federation and more of a 'real' galaxy. I always loved that Bashir arrived on the station all excited to be a 'frontier doctor' and tending to the 'natives' and Kira disabused him of that notion pretty quickly.
 

Zardnaar

Legend
I try to avoid any Next Gen where Riker hasn't adopted a beard yet. There's a reason the reverse of the 'jump the shark' trope is called "Riker's Beard"

I am generally more of a DS9 person myself because as soemone said, it shows the Federation and more of a 'real' galaxy. I always loved that Bashir arrived on the station all excited to be a 'frontier doctor' and tending to the 'natives' and Kira disabused him of that notion pretty quickly.
DS9 seems to be the most consistent Trek.
 

pukunui

Hero
I tried to get my kids into TNG a few years back. Made the mistake of opting to start from the beginning. They were not at all impressed by "Encounter at Far Point" and that was the end of it.

I've been thinking about doing some "highlights tours", though ... like watching all the Q-related episodes and all the Borg-related ones and so on.

Haven't seen Picard yet either.

I liked DS9 and hated Voyager. Stopped watching both around the time TNG ended.
 

Zardnaar

Legend
I tried to get my kids into TNG a few years back. Made the mistake of opting to start from the beginning. They were not at all impressed by "Encounter at Far Point" and that was the end of it.

I've been thinking about doing some "highlights tours", though ... like watching all the Q-related episodes and all the Borg-related ones and so on.

Haven't seen Picard yet either.

I liked DS9 and hated Voyager. Stopped watching both around the time TNG ended.
We also tried voyager and gave up about 5 episodes into it.

Wife's very big on "life's to short for bad TV".

We are running low on shows to watch so might do TNG season 3 start.
 

pukunui

Hero
We also tried voyager and gave up about 5 episodes into it.

Wife's very big on "life's to short for bad TV".

We are running low on shows to watch so might do TNG season 3 start.
I remember thinking the first few episodes were OK, and I did stick with it for a while, but it ended up getting too soap opera-ish for my taste. I understand it got better around when they hit Borg space but meh. I agree with your wife.
 

Zardnaar

Legend
I remember thinking the first few episodes were OK, and I did stick with it for a while, but it ended up getting too soap opera-ish for my taste. I understand it got better around when they hit Borg space but meh. I agree with your wife.
I put on Cobra Kai last night, she was meh before it started

I suspect she enjoyed it going by here reactions and lack of Switch play.
 

trappedslider

Adventurer
I tried to get my kids into TNG a few years back. Made the mistake of opting to start from the beginning. They were not at all impressed by "Encounter at Far Point" and that was the end of it.

I've been thinking about doing some "highlights tours", though ... like watching all the Q-related episodes and all the Borg-related ones and so on.
They have on DVD fan collections based on different themes Star Trek: Fan Collective

That will list the all,so you'll be able to find the episodes on your streamer.
 



Mallus

Hero
Re: TNG S02... I can't be too critical of a season that has 2 of the series best episodes -- "A Matter of Honor" and "The Measure of the Man", introduces the Borg -- when they where at their most intimidating -- and has fun episodes like "Elementary, Dear Data", "Contagion", and the one with the Pakleds (they make thing go!).

Plus, Pulaski is a good character. She's a thorny, believable doctor who brings some tension to the show.
 

Mercurius

Legend
Re: TNG S02... I can't be too critical of a season that has 2 of the series best episodes -- "A Matter of Honor" and "The Measure of the Man", introduces the Borg -- when they where at their most intimidating -- and has fun episodes like "Elementary, Dear Data", "Contagion", and the one with the Pakleds (they make thing go!).

Plus, Pulaski is a good character. She's a thorny, believable doctor who brings some tension to the show.
Agree on all accounts. Measure was very touching, and lots of fun episodes.

Diana Muldaur is a better actress than Gates McFadden, imo, but definitely a bit grating. I'm not sure what the story is behind the switch and switchback, other than evidently Patrick Stewart wanted Crusher back, maybe to develop the romance.
 

Mustrum_Ridcully

Adventurer
I seem to remember there was some guy on the writing staff for the show that didn't like Gates McFadden or something (possibly because she didn't like some of the more sexist stuff that was written for the female characters), but they got rid of him again after season 2 and could get Beverly back.
I just didn't like Pulaski as character. She was mean to my boy Data. And her transporter skepticism and country doctor attiude was just a McCoy rehash. And, well... she isn't a redhead. (at least not at the time of the show...)

It's kinda shocking what kind of sexist* or misogynist behavior went on behind the scenes. Terry Farrell leaving was apparently something similar, allegedly there were a few sexist remarks she kept hearing, and she wanted to have a reduced role to get a bit of a break after 6 years of doing the same thing, something they did for Colm Meaney, they claimed she was no one without the show and she should ever stay full time or get written out, and she didn't feel respected and then decided to leave entirely. It could possibly have been all avoided if someone had talked to Ira Behr about the issues behind it, but apparently he heard of it much later.

Still, I guess it's proves you can still make good shows presenting good values even if the people involved are flawed.

(I am aware of a certain double standard here, talking critically about sexism when I call out Diana Muldaur out for not having red hair like Gates McFadden. I am aware of the beam in my eye when I talk about the speck in Trek production's eye... )
 

Blue Orange

Explorer
I tried to get my kids into TNG a few years back. Made the mistake of opting to start from the beginning. They were not at all impressed by "Encounter at Far Point" and that was the end of it.

I've been thinking about doing some "highlights tours", though ... like watching all the Q-related episodes and all the Borg-related ones and so on.

Haven't seen Picard yet either.

I liked DS9 and hated Voyager. Stopped watching both around the time TNG ended.
There's a saying that the golden age of science fiction is 13. Probably the kids are into anime these days? (Or you may have non-geeky kids, which is always ironic...)
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
I seem to remember there was some guy on the writing staff for the show that didn't like Gates McFadden or something (possibly because she didn't like some of the more sexist stuff that was written for the female characters), but they got rid of him again after season 2 and could get Beverly back.
The "some guy on the writing staff" was Maurice Hurley, the head writer and showrunner at the time.
 

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