Spoilers Star Wars: Andor season 2

Ruin Explorer said:
I think it was also helpful because the whole Ghorm storyline showed how the Empire didn't actually have any problem with the Ghorms, just they happened to live on a planet the Empire wanted to strip-mine, so it was time to take advantage of existing bigotry and massively amplify it. A lot of modern narratives about identities from fascist or fascist-sympathizer groups centre on "Oh but these are BAD people!" and the Ghorm storyline showed how constructed that sort of narrative is, and disconnected from reality. But also how when that narrative is being pushed, maybe you need to stick together (or arguably, maybe even that won't help you, another valid lesson you could take is "If a fascist government starts talking smack about your ethno-cultural group, get the hell out of dodge!").
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I think that's an important aspect - the Ghorm werent't singled out for their species/race/culture. They wanted their planet, if they had been a group of space-baseball fanatics that enjoy beer, they probably would have found a way to instrumentalize them for a campaign, too. The narrative isn't grounded in anything meaningful, it's a cover.
Though in case of real minorities, sometimes the cover isn't for something something out of that group specificially, other than having a target for hatred, a method to rile people up that you can expand later, and justifying goverment overreach and intrusive policies. (For example, It's not like the LGBTQ community is sitting on kalkite or oil reserves...)

Of course, the Ghorm being singled out causes them to rally together. Getting the hell out of dodge isn't really a good option if it's your home planet, but finding allies might be an option. But when Mon Mothma offered support, they (or at least their senator) were so fearful of angering their enemies that they rejected. We'll never know if Mon's initiative could have stopped anything (probably not - but in-universe, they will probably forever wonder if they missed their best chance, and in the real world, nothing is ever as clear-cut, I think.)
 

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Mustrum_Ridcully said:
We'll never know if Mon's initiative could have stopped anything (probably not - but in-universe, they will probably forever wonder if they missed their best chance, and in the real world, nothing is ever as clear-cut, I think.)
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Going by the timeline the Imperial Senate was abolished soon after Andor.

Pushback would likely have just forced The Emperor to do so sooner.

The Empire was building the Death Star with Ghorman's resources, they would have counted on using it to keep everyone in line.
 

Necropolitan said:
Going by the timeline the Imperial Senate was abolished soon after Andor.

Pushback would likely have just forced The Emperor to do so sooner.

The Empire was building the Death Star with Ghorman's resources, they would have counted on using it to keep everyone in line.
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Maybe, but it might still have delayed things - whether that would ultimately be in the Emperor's favor or in the Rebellion's, is anyone's guess, of course, the specific events of the movies might not happen, but it might still be similar. Lonnie probably still has access to Deidra's codes and Deidra probably still scavenges details on the death, Galen Erzo might still request a pilot to send message about the Death Star to the Rebellion, maybe there are other potential sources in the extra time it takes.

I don't think it's coincidence that the Empire dismantles the Senates when the Death Star is going for its first mission - he probably knew he only wanted to take that step with the Death Star to threaten compliance, even more so if he could also destroy the Rebel Alliance leadership, ensuring that there would be no Rebellion to join, his enemies would need to start over under the watchful eye of imperial governeurs. I suppose he would have contingency plans, but they are Plan B for a reason - they involve more risk.
He ends up with no Senate but also no Death Star, and eventually, that leads to the downfall of the Empire, so very likely dismantling the Senate to enable finishing the Death Star (which still seems to take a year after Ghorman is mined) is a risky move,.
 

So I finally got around to watching the second half of the season. To recap, I love season 1 and think it is arguably the best show in the entire franchise, including the films. I was generally underwhelmed by the first half of season 2, though it improved a lot after what felt (to me) like a padded and meandering first three episodes.

I think the second half is fantastic. It pays off a lot of plot threads, the settings continue to make the Star Wars universe feel like a real place with scope, and above all it makes the Empire and Rebellion so much more real than the films do. Frankly, I find the Empire's bureaucracy far more terrifying than any number of Sith lords. And Denise Gough's Deidre is the breakout star of the show, for me. She wins every scene...and I love the ironic ending of her finally getting the perfect order that she craves.
 

Clint_L said:
And Denise Gough's Deidre is the breakout star of the show, for me. She wins every scene...and I love the ironic ending of her finally getting the perfect order that she craves.
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I think I've mentioned this already in this thread, but there's an interview clip out there where Denise talks about her "downturny mouth" and how her mother always used to tell her to smile more, and then she cackles with glee as she recounts telling her mother that she got the part in Andor because of her "downturny mouth" ... as someone who also has a "downturny mouth", this brought me much joy.
 






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