Star Wars what if. Qui Gon doesnt die.

[jasper]

from the second movie
silly jedi bring swords to blaster fight.

I think the muppet would fire me as a jedi when I stuck up to top of one wall and cut loose with a blaster cannon.

But Vader was a brat to begin with.
Think about it. After saving the Queen and a world and help solve a major crisis. He did NOT ask for some one to bail his mommy out of slavery.
Also this says something about the Jedi themselves.

 

[JacktheRabbit]

It was a trap, though a poor one. The Jedi had warning that there was a droid army being built on the planet yet charged there alone anyways. Though it doesnt really matter. The main problem was the Jedi didnt have anyone to bring with them. There is no Republic army to bring along. Their biggest mistake was spreading out around the arena instead of all of them jumping the leaders around Dooku. Big tough Sith or not I doubt Dooku and his entourage would have lasted 5 seconds if Mace had brought 5 or 6 fellow Jedi's out onto that balcony with him.

Yes, that was a problem with the Jedi. They had becomed detached from their humanity. None of them knew their parents so none of them knew the bond that Anakin would have had.

from the second movie
silly jedi bring swords to blaster fight.

I think the muppet would fire me as a jedi when I stuck up to top of one wall and cut loose with a blaster cannon.

But Vader was a brat to begin with.
Think about it. After saving the Queen and a world and help solve a major crisis. He did NOT ask for some one to bail his mommy out of slavery.
Also this says something about the Jedi themselves.

 

[jdavis]

I think that Yoda at least understood the problems Anakin would of had with his mother, that is the reason Jedi were trained from childhood. They didn't want Jedi to have any attachments but to being a Jedi. Anakin was a prime example of why they didn't want that. It's not that they didn't understand the bond between Anakin and his mother, it's that they new it would cloud his judgement, and it did. The Jedi council understood quite well, they were trying to weed out human frailty and weakness and replace it with the Jedi code, the older a child was the harder it would be. They knew exactly what they were doing, the training was set up that way. Anakin wasn't trained that way, he couldn't let go of his past. Whether the Jedi way was right or wrong, it is pretty typical, they weren't making good humans they were making warriors and judges who were only loyal to the Jedi code. If Qui Gon had any one redeming quality then it was that he saw beyond that and recognized how unflexable the order was. Qui Gon was idealistic brash, he made alot of decisions with his heart rather than his head.

Obi Wan was one of Yoda's prize students and was supposed to be one of the strongest Jedi ever, what he lacked was experience, when he took on Anakin he was actually a Padawan himself, he didn't have the experience to train another Jedi, he just barely had the experience to be one. Que Gon was mistaken to even ask Anakin to try to train him, of course being that he was dying, he didn't have that many choices available to him.

I think Dooku's argument would of had alot of effect on Que Gon, the Republic was broken, the Jedi were to stiff to adapt and take the steps needed. These were Arguements that Que Gon would of agreed with. Would he of seen that Dooku was Darth Tyrannus, well that depends on if he thought with his heart or with his head. I'm not saying he would of turned but he would of been torn by it, Obi Wan brushed the arguement aside. Dooku was right, the Republic was a mess and didn't function properly more, he was just taking the wrong path.

The Stronger the Emperor got the weaker all the Jedi got, he was balanced against all the Jedi. That's why Sith Lords only had one student, any more would of weakened their own power. The fact that the Emperor marked out Anakin early makes me wonder how committed he was to Dooku.

 

[JacktheRabbit]

Dooku is a goner pure and simple.

Anakin is going to be given the same offer the Emperor will later give his son Luke.

Basically he will tell Anakin that if he can kill Dooku then he can replace him.

You will then probably see a shocked look on Dooku's face then one of the wildest lightsaber battles ever before Dooku bites the big one.

 

[jdavis]

It makes you wonder why Vader was so dead set on turning Luke if it only meant him having to die, guess that's whas the point of Vader's speech to Luke in Empire. And then again maybe Vader actually thought the Emperor would keep them both. Yea I think Dooku is just filler while Anakin is being groomed for the turn, poor guy probably doesn't have a clue what he stepped in to.

 

[JacktheRabbit]

Vader was playing both sides of the fence. He knew the danger and tried to run both Luke and the Emperor. I think Darth was hoping that Luke would in the end be loyal to him and the two of them together could turn on the Emperor and kill him. Then Vader could take Luke as his apprentice and he would become the master.

I doubt Sith ever retire. An apprentice Sith becomes the master when he kills his master.

It makes you wonder why Vader was so dead set on turning Luke if it only meant him having to die, guess that's whas the point of Vader's speech to Luke in Empire. And then again maybe Vader actually thought the Emperor would keep them both. Yea I think Dooku is just filler while Anakin is being groomed for the turn, poor guy probably doesn't have a clue what he stepped in to.

 

[Dark Psion]

Here's an interesting question, If Qui-gon had lived, would he have freed Shimmi Skywalker long before her death?

I think that The slaughter of the Tuskan Raider's is the first pebble in the avalanche that will carry Anakin to the dark side.

 

[jdavis]

Would Shimi of even left Tatooine, she apparently was pretty happy in her new life, well up until the whole tortured to death bit. If she had left Tatooine what kind of effect would that of had on Anakin, he would of still been kept away because of his being trained to be a Jedi. If Qui Gon was alive and his master would he of broken with Jedi rules and tradition and let Anakin return to see his mother? Would that of distanced him from the Jedi too.

 

[JacktheRabbit]

I have always thought that her capture by the Tuskans and month long torture was not a coincidence. It was orchestrated by Palpatine to mentally torture Anakin and push him to the dark side.

Here's an interesting question, If Qui-gon had lived, would he have freed Shimmi Skywalker long before her death?

I think that The slaughter of the Tuskan Raider's is the first pebble in the avalanche that will carry Anakin to the dark side.

 

[Villano]

Here's an interesting question, If Qui-gon had lived, would he have freed Shimmi Skywalker long before her death?

Yeah, I always thought that Anakin's mom was left in slavery was pretty stupid. I mean, you'd think that Amadala (sp?) would have paid the little bug guy to free her as a reward to Anakin (she's a Queen so she's got more than enough money after all).

Qui-Gon would probably have freed her immediately.

Of course, Palpatine probably would have had her eventually killed anyway to help turn Anakin (in such a way as to place the blame on the incompetence of the jedi, most likely).

And it wouldn't take much to convince anyone with the "incompetence of the jedi" excuse since the jedi really don't seem to be too bright in the prequels.

Now, as to whether Qui-Gon would have joined Dooku or not. Hmmm...I doubt it.

First, I don't think Qui-Gon was the type to hurt someone even if he disagreed with them. He may believe the jedi must change, but he wouldn't try to displace them by force.

Secondly, he didn't strike me as being angry or fearful, two prerequistes for the Dark Side.

I actually think that if he lived he would have be the one to fill Luke's role as a balance to the Force. He was able to see the faults in the jedis' philosophy and wanted to work to change the order.

If it came to all out war between the Emperor and the Council, my money would be on Qui-Gon to be the man to pick up the pieces when it was all over and rebuild the Council with jedi who were more flexible and able to deal with the changes in the galaxy.