Starfleet Uniform Question

mojo1701 said:
I don't exactly understand why the different Star Trek series had different uniforms on at the same time. For example, when the Enterprise D was at DS9, Picard had the original, and Sisko had the newer one. When Janeway contacted Starfleet, Voyager never changed their uniforms to be the same as the rest of Starfleet.

Does anyone know why? :confused:

It think it's because the costume desginers get bored.

Seriously though, I think the difference of uniform between TNG and DS9 was intended to differentiate between the two shows. I don't know what the internal reasoning would be.

As for Voyager keeping the old unifoms, well, yeah that makes some sense. They're out on their own in the middle of nowhere. Changing uniform styles is hardly a priority. Even when they managed to communicate with Starfleet on a regular basis, getting home was still a greater priority.

Myself, I've always found the frequent uniform shifts to be a tad inconsistant. It has to do with the styles of uniform featured:

22nd century, 2250s: Blue jumpsuit with color-coded piping indicating department. Slightly different uniform for admirals. Featured in Enterprise.

23rd century, 2350s and 60s: Shirt with turtleneck color-coded by department, with black pants and boots. Stripes on sleeve indicate rank. Featured in The Cage and Where No Man Has Gone Before.

23rd century, late 2360s: Similar to above uniforn, but turtlenecks replaced by black collars. Starfleet brass must have gone through a Tailhook phase or something here, because women are fored to wear very short dresses for the next several years (since everywhere else the women wear pretty much the same thing as men). Emblem on left breat indicates duty station; personnel assigned to the U.S.S. Enterprise have an arrowhead emblem, and inside the arrowhead is a symbol indicating department or something. Featured throughout all of Star Trek, and also brough back for DS9 episode "Trials and Tribble-ations".

23rd century, 2370s: Uniforms replaced by bland-looking tan, gray and powder blue uniforms. Sexist admiral(s) repsonsible for previous uniform changed obviously court-martialed for sexual harrassment or something, since men and women are once again wearing the same uniform. Admiral uniform seems to be black and white. Enterprise arrowhead emblem used for all Starfleet. Featured in Star Trek: The Motion Picture.

Late 23rd century to mid 24th century: Uniforms replaced by a white turtleneck sirt, red coat and black pants. Rank indicated by a pin on the clasp for the coat. Sometime during the early 24th century turtlenecks are phased out. Featured in Star Trek II-VI, and a number of episodes of TNG that have flashbacks or other glimpses into the past (such as Jack Crusher's holorecording to his son).

Mid 24th century, 2350s? to mid 2360s: This is the uniform featured in the first two seasons of TNG. (I'm gretting tired of detailing these things. We all know what they look like, right?)

24th century, late 2360s: Uniform featured from 3rd season of TNG to 7th season of show.

24th century, late 2360's to early 2370s: This is the DS9 uniform, which apparently became a standard for all of Starfleet, as it becomes the Voyager uniform as well.

24th century, mid 2370s: This is the later DS9 uniform, also used in most of the TNG movies.

Here's what gets me: The uniforms style seem to change every couple of years for the most part. However, the movie uniform seems to have been in service for 60 or 70 years! Why does Starfleet keep changing the uniform around in the 3 24th century series timeframe, when the uniform seems relatively static from at least a year before Star Trek II to about 20 years before TNG? And the uniform from the first two seasons of TNG was apparently used for about 20 years as well (Picard's crewmates on the Stargazer wear them in the flashback scenes in "The Battle"). How come those two styles remained in place for so long were in other places the uniforms are changed much more quickly?
 

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Viking Bastard said:
The history of different costumes in Trek (real story, not in story exscuses):

The original TOS uniforms were really cheap and corny (even for the time period) so when they made 'The Motion Picture' they decided to create new and better uniforms. Of course, Gene Roddenberry was very much hands-on on all design for the movie and because he was a senile hippie, the uniforms he designed were pretty much just pajamas. The fans didn't like it.

Senile hippie? Ouch. Funny, yes, but also nasty. I liked it. :D

Then there came TNG, where Roddenberry finally got some power over the franchise again. Not going quite as radically into the pajama direction this time, we get the season 1-2 TNG uniforms. They were cheap and badly done and very uncomfortable.

When TNG got renewed for a third season, got a budget boost and Roddenberry had to leave the franchise because of health problems, the uniforms were all redone. It followed the same basic design as the 1-2 season ones,with some minor changes, like the collars, but were much more expensive and comfortable. Some cast members then got new uniforms in the fifth or sixth seasons that are slightly different, because the old uniforms had been worn out.

That I've read about: the uniform on the first two seasons of TNG were uncomfortable. That's why we see Patick Steward and Jonathan Frakes constantly tugging on the uniform. The redesign of those uniforms were pretty good though.

Voyager never changed to these costumes except for the people they contacted in the Alpha Quadrant (that borrowed DS9's costumes), because Braga preferred the old ones and they got a pretty good exscuse not to switch.

That doesn't surprise me.
 

I've also noticed that Enterprise and TOS had Command colour as Yellow (the stripe surrounding the shoulder in Enterprise, and the shirt colour in TOS), with Red being Engineering, etc. and Blue as Sciences.

However, when TNG rolled around, Red was Command, Yellow was Engineering, and Blue was sciences.

Can anyone answer this one?
 

Chun-tzu said:


The first couple seasons of DS9 were pretty dull (like the first season of TNG). The last seasons of DS9 were as good as anything with the name Star Trek.

Taken as a whole, DS9 was great, and easily matches the popularity of TNG for many posters on this board, at least (based on past Star Trek discussions). Taken as a whole, Voyager was a big disappointment. Voyager had a great premise that, more often than not, they failed to realize. Most of Voyager's episodes were mediocre, with a few good ones.

Weird. I found almost every episode of DS9 boring, even the War ones later on. I only really enjoyed the Quark ones.
On the other hand, I enjoyed almost every episode of Voyager, and thought it was a very good show taken as a whole.

Maybe I'm just weird in that respect, though.:)
 


Orius said:
That I've read about: the uniform on the first two seasons of TNG were uncomfortable. That's why we see Patick Steward and Jonathan Frakes constantly tugging on the uniform.

That little idiosyncratic gesture is sometimes fondly referred to as "the Picard Maneuver" :) IIRC, the captain actually keeps that into later seasons, even when it had become unnecessary.
 

Orius said:

It think it's because the costume desginers get bored.
Or budget.


Here's what gets me: The uniforms style seem to change every couple of years for the most part. However, the movie uniform seems to have been in service for 60 or 70 years! Why does Starfleet keep changing the uniform around in the 3 24th century series timeframe, when the uniform seems relatively static from at least a year before Star Trek II to about 20 years before TNG? And the uniform from the first two seasons of TNG was apparently used for about 20 years as well (Picard's crewmates on the Stargazer wear them in the flashback scenes in "The Battle"). How come those two styles remained in place for so long were in other places the uniforms are changed much more quickly?
Again, budget, and the lack of shows in-between TOS (including The Film Series I-VI) to showcase different "signature" uniforms.

But with the contemporary Trek almost overlapping or airing one series after another (sans ENTERPRISE which is a Trek Prequel), they change according to the premise of the TV series.

As with any TV or movie produced in Hollywood, wardrobe is all about the look, and less how it functions for real-life space crew (if that's the way NASA or the Russian Space Agency function).
 

mojo1701 said:
I've also noticed that Enterprise and TOS had Command colour as Yellow (the stripe surrounding the shoulder in Enterprise, and the shirt colour in TOS), with Red being Engineering, etc. and Blue as Sciences.

However, when TNG rolled around, Red was Command, Yellow was Engineering, and Blue was sciences.

Can anyone answer this one?
Bashir: Wait a minute, aren't you two wearing the wrong colours?
O'Brien: Don't you know anything about this time period?
Bashir: I'm a doctor, not an historian.
Sisko: In the old days, operations officers wore red, command officers wore gold.
Dax (entering): And women wore less.
Bashir: I think I'm going to like history.
- Trials and Tribble-ations
 

Chun-tzu said:


The first couple seasons of DS9 were pretty dull (like the first season of TNG). The last seasons of DS9 were as good as anything with the name Star Trek.

Taken as a whole, DS9 was great, and easily matches the popularity of TNG for many posters on this board, at least (based on past Star Trek discussions). Taken as a whole, Voyager was a big disappointment. Voyager had a great premise that, more often than not, they failed to realize. Most of Voyager's episodes were mediocre, with a few good ones.

Not to hijack the thread but I agree. Even by Season 2, the series was doing becoming enjoyable, earlier than TNG IMHO. The Dominion meta plot, the perennial Mirror universe episodes, and the chemistry and talent of the cast make it my fav series. It did get more exciting when they finally gave them the coolest ship ever in a ST series, the Defiant.

Voyager's cast had zero chemistry (makes me feel sorry for Kate Mulgrew having to put up with it). That show should have done a Tash Yar and killed off a couple of characters early on.
 

My vote is Seven of Nine.

Ever since she came aboard, almost every episodes is about her, or spotlighting her, or in almost every scene, ... courtesy of Braga, who became her boyfriend after her divorce is final. I mean, "excuse me, I'm trying to watch Star Trek here and you're using the show to court her?" :rolleyes:

Kidding aside, I don't mind having Seven onboard, but don't neglect the rest of the original cast, which sadly, Braga did.
 

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