STARGATE UNIVERSE #1 & 2:AIR/Season 1/2009

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AIR (1)

A research team studying the Stargate's ninth chevron is forced to flee through the gate when their secret base is attacked by an unknown enemy. They end up stranded on an Ancient ship named Destiny, billions of light years from Earth
AIR (2)

The evacuees from Icarus Base discover that the life-support system on the Destiny will fail in a matter of hours



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Not a bad start, I enjoyed it. RDA... man, he didn't not look great. If their intention was to make Rush completely unlikable, they succeeded beyond expectation.
 

Uh oh.

Being part of Stargate = cool.

Being more like BSG than ST: Voyeur = bad. And I don't even consider Star Trek Voyager a good show.

And since I figured you could use the floating cameras to close the door and the writers didn't, that's another bad sign.
 

So... does everyone in the expedition have the Ancient gene? I thought Ancient technology could only be activated by someone with the gene. It's a lucky thing the senator has the gene...

And I agree about Rush; I kept hoping the soldier (who was in detention) would pop a bullet in his head. Rush was extremely annoying.

Did they explain why no one else tried the communication stones? (Maybe I missed it) Just to check and see if Rush was lying. No one seemed to trust him, yet no one checked up on his "I'm in command" statement.
 

When I saw an ad for it, my first thought was that it looked stupid, but I happened to catch the second airing last night and I'm glad I did because I really enjoyed it.

Personally, while not likable, I thought Rush was an interesting character and Eli whom I thought would annoy me didn't, and in fact I enjoyed that character as well.

All in all, definitely watch it again.
 

And since I figured you could use the floating cameras to close the door and the writers didn't, that's another bad sign.

I assumed that when they said someone needed to be inside, that meant someone physically, and they tested the camera.

Did they explain why no one else tried the communication stones? (Maybe I missed it) Just to check and see if Rush was lying. No one seemed to trust him, yet no one checked up on his "I'm in command" statement.

Personally, I think that'll be in the next episode. However, I'm not certain anyone but Rush knows where they are at the moment. Additionally, the commander (Young) getting back on his feet helped a lot as well. After all, the first thing he did was try to dial Earth.
 

I enjoyed the pilot a lot for these reasons:

1. It was totally different from the other, more formulaic Stargate shows. It reminded me a lot more of the mystery and darkness and frontiers nature of the movie than the shows. That was obviously intentional.

2. They are cut off form support and relieve. Totally cut off even from technological resupply. Every technological advantage they have in the future will have to be scavenged or adapted from the ship they are on. This will inevitably change their relationship with technology. On all previous shows they were masters or could become masters of the technology they built, employed, adapted, or adopted as their own. Not so here. (As a matter of fact on shows like SG-1 the technology was little better than magic and metaphysics with a thin spray paint veneer of pseudo technology. Not so here I suspect, it will be a much grittier, more desperate, survival advantage relationship with technology, less much of the fantasy tech-elements.) Here they may very well find themselves not so much masters of technology, as needing to adapt themselves to the existing technology, or at least to become a sort of biological partner with it. They will also obviously have to concern themselves with basic survival conditions, water, food, shelter, even atmosphere. And eventually they will either have to gain navigational and piloting control of the vessel, or work in cooperation with it to gain supplies.

3. Nobody knows what they are doing or how to go about it. A distinct advantage for this type of show.

4. There is a very muddled chain of command. In all other Stargate shows there is an easy chain of command/chain of expertise narrational path to the stories. In this one one of the main conflicts will be who is in charge, what is each one trying to take charge really attempting to do, and how does each one formulate a different set of objectives as a result. Rush to me is annoying (in a way), he's also extremely interesting because of his own particular motivations.

(Speaking of which he obviously has motivations beyond the current situation. He obviously hopes to either use the technology of the ancients or the fact that the ship he had hoped to reach was so far displaced in time - remember it is literally in relation to them either billions of years behind or ahead of them in time relative to their point and time of departure - to arrive at a point to correct whatever situation he desires to correct. That he considers tragic from his past. None of the shows in the past ever did a good job of addressing this spatial-temporal displacement problem in relation to ship travel versus Gate travel versus origin points versus destination points, nor did they ever do a good job of coming up with some method to compensate for what would have really happened. It was just assumed everything in background would magically match or align with all time frames rendering a zero-sum misalignment when displacing that much space. I hope this shows will take on those questions in a far more clever and actually - at least for a TV show - scientific manner.)

5. You have a built in conflict of motivations - Exploration versus rescue/retrieval, personal versus group, survival versus adapted advantage, mystery of the situation and what is the mission of the ship versus what the party thinks it is really doing and what they think they need to be doing, a very confused command and objective structure (civilian leadership versus military leadership versus individual initiative versus necessary expertise accommodations - you even have the pre-structured "institutional expert versus the rebel kid/outside the system supposed genius with conflicting motives - though I'm unconvinced as yet the kid is anything more than one trick pony), mystery of the missing crew/or automatic station versus lack of real decay and seemingly constant or perpetual motion between galaxies (something no-one seems to have really commented on or thought about yet, but where is the energy for this machine to operate coming from and considering the huge distances supposedly traveled, what is the real energy source? For that matter if the ship is an automaton then why is it so large (unless it was designed specifically to move beyond normal time/spatial constraints and then be re-crewed at some future or even past time) and why does it even have a life support system? Is it artificially intelligent, has its mission been conscripted or changed over time, have aliens boarded and modified systems, has it had past or will it have future occupants, what is the destination, what are the mission objectives, why is it pursuing that flight path, what was its point of departure, has anything been recorded or logued other than the flight path, and so forth and so on? In this sense the ship itself reminds me both of the Anderson story the Boat of a Million Years, and the actual design of the Egyptian Boat of a Million Years, or Sun-Boat (the feathered rear of the ship especially - which makes me think there is something distinctly non-Ancient about the ship, or that it is a sort of group effort of parties not strictly limited to the Ancients).

I've hardly enumerated all of the possibilities, just some of the more obvious ones. Personally I liked that it broke with previous Stargate formulations and that it is much darker and much more confused in intention and purpose.

I'm making a near total assumption here but I'm thinking it might possibly have been designed to explore or scout places for Stargate emplacement or to reach or search out, or maybe it already has, a destination that it is not possible to reach by Stargate.

I would also be very surprised if in that expanse of time that it would have not been modified by others, maybe even by now, or by design, be Artificially Intelligent it its own right.

Anyway to me, I thought the pilot quite good.
I'll have to see where it goes but I like the inherent potential.
 

I liked it a lot. I knew I was going to like it when I saw the first five minutes with everyone coming through the 'gate in confusion, being hit with flying boxes and other people, shouts of "move to the side!" as the first people through realized the people coming were going to get injured or injure others if people kept lingering just outside the 'gate.

I love survival stories where the characters have to explore and scavenge to survive, and the fact that they couldn't even take for granted the air they were breathing was just excellent. I hope this show keeps along this same course.

The fact that Destiny is a moving object which apparently has a static gate address (which I think other shows have determined wasn't possible, or at least not feasible) makes me think that perhaps the ship was meant to be staffed the way it was staffed just now. Maybe it was meant to start off unmanned and its crew would join it while it was already near its destination.

I had a moment, too, when I thought the flying cameras (what did they call them? Kenos?) might be used to close the door to the shuttle, but I have a feeling that the cameras can't be controlled delicately enough to push a button. Maybe they're even designed not to collide with objects, so it would've been impossible to make it interact with any controls without taking it apart and doing some re-engineering, which I doubt they had time for. Making the cameras so that they detect objects and stay X inches away from them seems like a very valid safety feature to build into a flying sensor/camera.

In any case, I agree that they should've at least mentioned the possibility of using the cameras. You'd just need ten seconds of dialog: "Can we use the cameras to close it?" "No, they can't push buttons. I can't get them to go within six inches of a solid surface. I think it's a safety feature."
 

The fact that Destiny is a moving object which apparently has a static gate address (which I think other shows have determined wasn't possible, or at least not feasible) makes me think that perhaps the ship was meant to be staffed the way it was staffed just now. Maybe it was meant to start off unmanned and its crew would join it while it was already near its destination.

To carry on your observations, there was also no sign of real furniture (for any humanoid type creature) aboard ships. Something I forgot to mention earlier. Walk on any human vessel and furniture is immdiately obvious most places. Especially at command and control centers. People have to sit and monitor and on vessels meant for long term missions, sleep and eat.

Leading me to one of these conclusions. 1. There was never any intention for the ship to be occupied for long periods of time, but rather to be visited intermittently and then abandoned again until the next necessary moment. So no real need for furniture. 2. The furniture has decayed over time, but in a hermetically controlled environment this seems highly improbable - that furniture would have been constructed to intentionally decay over time or that it would be constructed so differently as to decay when other things don't. 3. The furniture is designed to be hidden or regressed when not in use. 4. The furniture was removed when the ship was last abandoned (That is they carry in and remove any unnecessary supplies or goods, which might be explainable by power consumption rates). 5. The furniture was removed by a third patty or someone who found the ship other than the creators/users - this seems possible but unlikely to me unless the third party also removed other things on the ship, modified the ship, or perhaps even sabotaged the ship - it's possible the scrubbers were sabotaged or over extended themselves trying to compensate for losing atmosphere..

My assumptions are that nos. 1, 3, and 4 are the most likely possibilities, with 1 and 3 being my likely favorites. Because the ship has an atmosphere and obviously has controls for necessary human interactions, but no apparent furniture. Meaning no long time or long term crew-interactions. Also I would think that the life-supports systems would operate at null or bare minimum capacity when the ship is not occupied. Meaning to me that the ship was recently occupied, the crew was recently forced to abandon ship, or the ship itself was anticipating occupation, hence the available atmosphere. Meaning it is also possible that the ship either anticipated the arrival of the current crew (the humans) or life support became active immediately once it detected it had been dialed from the outside. But the time frame for that would be short indeed because not only must you compress atmosphere but you would have to generate a lot of heat (heat any occupiable area of the ship). In a space between galaxies or between stars and in motion you couldn't rely upon outside energies sources for much or any supplementary assistance. Meaning that the ship, if it had anticipated the humans, would have had to have done so long before being dialed to bring up enough atmosphere, enough heat, etc. to be useful.

Also one has to consider that they have explored very little of the ship and the ship may not be totally abandoned but has a small reserve crew, possibly in stasis or suspension, or attached to some area of the ship they cannot yet detect or have not noticed.

The fact that it dropped out of FTL once it was instructed by Rush of the situation makes me think that it is indeed at least partially artificially intelligent. And that it was indeed designed either to emplace or scout for Stargate addresses, or to reach destinations not reachable by Stargates.

Implying one of two possible missions (maybe both, maybe something else, but probably similar). Colonization throughout a cluster of galaxies, maybe any entire section of the universe, and/or exploration well beyond the home galaxy, and to the information to which that might lead.


I had a moment, too, when I thought the flying cameras (what did they call them? Kenos?) might be used to close the door to the shuttle, but I have a feeling that the cameras can't be controlled delicately enough to push a button. Maybe they're even designed not to collide with objects, so it would've been impossible to make it interact with any controls without taking it apart and doing some re-engineering, which I doubt they had time for. Making the cameras so that they detect objects and stay X inches away from them seems like a very valid safety feature to build into a flying sensor/camera.

In any case, I agree that they should've at least mentioned the possibility of using the cameras. You'd just need ten seconds of dialog: "Can we use the cameras to close it?" "No, they can't push buttons. I can't get them to go within six inches of a solid surface. I think it's a safety feature."

I thought of that myself. They're spherical (covering at least, the internals may be reconfigurable) making pressing a button on a flat panel nearly impossible (considering the control panel size and the camera size). But they could have tried tying a pen, a pointer, a magnetic arm, etc. to the sphere (as an extended arm with which to press the button), assuming it was not frictionless, which it may have been. It's all moot now, I would tried it, but it was nice to see a Senator actually do something selfless and productive for a change. So, I'm not complaining.

I think they called the floating cameras Kinos by the way, after, I'm assuming either this, or this, or this. All deal with cameras, lighting for video production, and recording data.

Anyway, nice observations.
 
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