STARGATE UNIVERSE #1 & 2:AIR/Season 1/2009

I have a lot of opinions for this show, but I'm only really going to share one, aside from the fact that I really liked it.

When we first met Dr Weir we hated her, by the end we loved her.
When we first met Rodney McKay we hated him, by the end he was one of our favorite characters.
When we first met The EMH we didn't much like him either, but by the end he started to grow on us.
When we first met Dr Rush we pretty much hated him too......well, you get the idea.

If they can do that again, and again, introduce a character so easy to hate, and through long term character development make them someone you really enjoy then this is going to be another kick arse series!
 

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When we first met Dr Weir we hated her, by the end we loved her.
When we first met Rodney McKay we hated him, by the end he was one of our favorite characters.
When we first met The EMH we didn't much like him either, but by the end he started to grow on us.
When we first met Dr Rush we pretty much hated him too......well, you get the idea.

Speak for yourself - I liked Weir immediately, hated the EMH by the end, and could never stand McKay.
 

Rush did have a (claimed) reason for not dialing Earth -- the planet was about to explode, and he didn't want to risk letting the blast be gated back to Earth.

Well yeah, Rush came right out and stated why he did what he did. He felt, probably correctly, that this was the last chance for Earth to ever figure out where the ninth chevron dials to, dial it, and go there. But he made the decision to continue the scientific experiment INSTEAD of saving the lives of not just military personnel, not just other scientists on the project, but civilians too.

Commander Young ordered the gate techs to dial Earth to save the lives of the people on the base. Rush countermanded that order, and had the techs dial the ninth chevron, not knowing where it led, if people could survive there, and if they could get home to Earth again.

Classic example of scientist so driven he puts his research above human lives. That's why nobody trusts him. But they realize they need him, and that brings a lot of tension.

Edit: Oops, somehow I missed the part in your post about the energy from the exploding planet reaching Earth through the gate. Rush did say that to defend his actions, and he might even be right. But due to how he goes about it and relates to the other survivors, people still don't trust him.
 
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But the idea of the waiting starship, or the starship in situ, does have a number of problems that will also need to be addressed. Like if the ship is only visited rarely then why was the life-support operational just coincidentally when the humans boarded (unless it was being tested or prepped to receive a crew, and if so, then tested by whom, and where is that crew)?

I think it fits the theory that the ship was sent out unmanned and was designed to wait at a certain point where the ninth chevron address could reach it. My guess is that when it got to that point it started up the life support. If it was expected to be unmanned for a long period of time then yes, it would be stupid to have life support active for all that time, but to go from no life support to a fully breathable atmosphere would probably take a while, especially on a ship that big, so the plan was probably to get the ship in place, turn on the life support and let it fill the ship for a few months/years (however long it takes) then gate in the crew. Except the "get in the crew" part took much much longer than expected and the life support ran itself to death.

As far as "where is the real crew", I think it was established that the Ancients ascended before they could crew the ship. If you're not familiar with the SG mythos, the Ancients were a race of humanoids (they may have been actual humans, I don't remember exactly) with a lot of technological knowhow. They created the gate network and seeded the galaxy with gates. Then at one point they became "enlightened" and ascended to another plane of being where their consciousness no longer needed a physical body. They still exist, but they no longer care about the toils of puny humans or others that still have physical form (well, most of them don't care, anyway).

...as far as anyone knows yet there was only one gate and one gate location capable of dialing the ship.

I don't think the gate was special. And I seem to recall that the gate wasn't even on that planet to begin with (but I may be making that up, I haven't re-watched the show yet) but we put it there to take advantage of the energy the planet made available.

I do remember clearly that this was NOT the location that the "ninth chevron" gate address was originally designed to dial FROM. Remember that it didn't work until they put in Earth's "origin" symbol. The address was designed to have been dialed from Earth, not from that planet they were on.

I believe the idea was that the Ancients had plenty of energy at their disposal when they were in their prime. Human beings had to find some planet on the edge of radioactive explosion in order to gather that sort of energy, but the Ancients had it on Earth at one time, or at least they expected to have it.

That would explain why I didn't know the name of the ship either. Wonder how he got the name? Made it up, read it on panel or control board, the ship told him, previous research?

He was doing research in the ship's computer, saying he was either looking for ways to turn on the life support or dial earth (I forget which one, it may have been both) but he doesn't seem extremely trustworthy so far so who knows what he was really doing. At that point he said he found out the ship was named Destiny. I think that was the same time he said the ship was designed to go out un-crewed and receive its crew later.

I think that was also the same time when he "told" the ship they were in trouble to get it to stop and open the gate.
 

The scene starts about an hour and 17 minutes into the show on Hulu. Rush is talking to Eli and mentions he has been doing data searches to try to learn how to fix life support. He had no luck finding that info, but found the ship's name.

I finally got to see it last night at dinner-time in rerun. I noticed some other things. Rush is really doing a lot right, or is at least really trying to do what it is suggested by others he attempt. You can see it in his expressions, and then later something happens that someone else had mentioned needed to happen, but Rush takes no direct credit for it.


I think it fits the theory that the ship was sent out unmanned and was designed to wait at a certain point where the ninth chevron address could reach it. My guess is that when it got to that point it started up the life support. If it was expected to be unmanned for a long period of time then yes, it would be stupid to have life support active for all that time, but to go from no life support to a fully breathable atmosphere would probably take a while, especially on a ship that big, so the plan was probably to get the ship in place, turn on the life support and let it fill the ship for a few months/years (however long it takes) then gate in the crew. Except the "get in the crew" part took much much longer than expected and the life support ran itself to death.

I think that's about right if the ship were programmed or expected to reach a point and then await occupants. It would have to be timed really well though so as not to consume a whole lot of unnecessary power. But why the ship damage? Possibly damaged along the way, attacked, or it had been occupied, maybe even sabotaged. It also seems strange to me that large sections of the ship seem inaccessible.

As if intentionally blocked off. And the damage to the shuttle and the open doorway to that shuttle area. If the shuttle had been damaged by disaster or attack from outside then the door should have either been damaged from the outside, crumpled or blown inwards, or simply still shut. Yet the door was open as if someone from inside had tried to access the shuttle. (Maybe if the ship was invaded or boarded the ship tried a ploy, to lure someone to the shuttle bay to expel them. but it all seems far more leaky either the ship itself were opening and shutting doors - maybe a lot because the mechanism was damaged or worn, or maybe had sabotaged itself, or maybe someone else had - but the pattern is one of internal occupancy. I can see a breach being made to the outside of the ship then entrance from outside by opening the internal door from outside. But that would mean either blowing the door, and it wasn't blown, or, someone had control access. But the ship itself, well, you don't open and shut doors, or leave them halfway open if your intent is to secure the ship, and you don't expose atmospheric leaks, you seal them. And you don't close off parts of the ship if you're simply expecting your normal crew to arrive. Something occurred in the intervening time and positioning of the ship. Something that looks at least very much like an intentional breach, an invasion, or a boarding.)


I don't think the gate was special. And I seem to recall that the gate wasn't even on that planet to begin with (but I may be making that up, I haven't re-watched the show yet) but we put it there to take advantage of the energy the planet made available.

I don't know about special, but when watched in rerun Rush said the gate was unique, several times. But he also made an interesting comment which I caught the second time around. He said, "that gate (the gate they dialed from) was the only way to dial this ship from our galaxy." (I'm paraphrasing I think.) Take that for what you will, but I suspect he choose his words carefully. I suspect he meant that only specific gates can dial into the ship. That's why the countdown. The ship has to make the contact, not the other gate from the other side. So the on-board gate has to remain open the entire time (using a lot of energy), if the connection is broken then the other gate probably can't re-establish the connection by itself. Most gates can't even receive from the ship (that part is entirely speculation based on just one bit of evidence), that's why the ship choose one gate out of five, and why Rush insisted they take that gate. The ship chooses what it knows it can work, of course it may also choose for other reasons as well, such as crew-need (which shows at least a rudimentary form of AI, as well as rudimentary Intel gathering capabilities and/or an established database, meaning it's sent Kinos through or someone else has fed it data or explored off of the ship before). So it takes a completely unique nine chevron gate to dial into the ship. But he also said from our galaxy. Leading me to conclude that other galaxies might also have gates capable of dialing into the gate. Instead of just receiving from it.

Another odd thing I noticed. No furniture except on what they call the observation deck, and that looked more like a dining area. I'm not quite sure what to make of what that implies yet. No control area furniture, but standard, not regressed or missing or hidden eating (or very small, bare meeting/drinking tables) in one room. For a huge ship it looked like eating tables for maybe eight or ten people. Thats' very odd. Of course we don't know the layout of the rest of the ship yet. And we don't know the habits and customs of the designers. Maybe they didn't use much furniture. Maybe they reclined to eat, or slept on the floor. Just don't know yet.

I still didn't get to see in rerun the original wave function disruption that would mean the ship started FTL after the crew arrived. I saw it too late. And I guess we can't really know any of these things for sure until more evidence develops and more of the ship and background is exposed. Right now though I'm gonna say the on-board ship cannot receive or send in FTL, that entirely unique gates are needed to dial into it, that it was boarded at one time, and that it has some kinda on-board AI, or at least a remote controlled one. I'm also not sure one way or another whether the other parts of the ship are occupied, and if so by whom. But right now I'm gonna say it looks like someone else has been aboard at least at some time in the past.

For now though I'm just fishing though. We'll learn as it goes along I reckon.


(Also, when Eli said he called 'em kinos, he mentioned something about Russian -- google says "kino" [or "Кино́"] is Russian for cinema.)

That's an interesting observation. Very probable too if he mentioned Russian (you guys with good hearing probably heard a lot in the dialogue I can't). Eli looks like the kinda guy who would know what's for about Russian cinema.
 

I finally got to see it last night at dinner-time in rerun. I noticed some other things. Rush is really doing a lot right, or is at least really trying to do what it is suggested by others he attempt. You can see it in his expressions, and then later something happens that someone else had mentioned needed to happen, but Rush takes no direct credit for it.




I think that's about right if the ship were programmed or expected to reach a point and then await occupants. It would have to be timed really well though so as not to consume a whole lot of unnecessary power. But why the ship damage? Possibly damaged along the way, attacked, or it had been occupied, maybe even sabotaged. It also seems strange to me that large sections of the ship seem inaccessible.

As if intentionally blocked off. And the damage to the shuttle and the open doorway to that shuttle area. If the shuttle had been damaged by disaster or attack from outside then the door should have either been damaged from the outside, crumpled or blown inwards, or simply still shut. Yet the door was open as if someone from inside had tried to access the shuttle. (Maybe if the ship was invaded or boarded the ship tried a ploy, to lure someone to the shuttle bay to expel them. but it all seems far more leaky either the ship itself were opening and shutting doors - maybe a lot because the mechanism was damaged or worn, or maybe had sabotaged itself, or maybe someone else had - but the pattern is one of internal occupancy. I can see a breach being made to the outside of the ship then entrance from outside by opening the internal door from outside. But that would mean either blowing the door, and it wasn't blown, or, someone had control access. But the ship itself, well, you don't open and shut doors, or leave them halfway open if your intent is to secure the ship, and you don't expose atmospheric leaks, you seal them. And you don't close off parts of the ship if you're simply expecting your normal crew to arrive. Something occurred in the intervening time and positioning of the ship. Something that looks at least very much like an intentional breach, an invasion, or a boarding.)




I don't know about special, but when watched in rerun Rush said the gate was unique, several times. But he also made an interesting comment which I caught the second time around. He said, "that gate (the gate they dialed from) was the only way to dial this ship from our galaxy." (I'm paraphrasing I think.) Take that for what you will, but I suspect he choose his words carefully. I suspect he meant that only specific gates can dial into the ship. That's why the countdown. The ship has to make the contact, not the other gate from the other side. So the on-board gate has to remain open the entire time (using a lot of energy), if the connection is broken then the other gate probably can't re-establish the connection by itself. Most gates can't even receive from the ship (that part is entirely speculation based on just one bit of evidence), that's why the ship choose one gate out of five, and why Rush insisted they take that gate. The ship chooses what it knows it can work, of course it may also choose for other reasons as well, such as crew-need (which shows at least a rudimentary form of AI, as well as rudimentary Intel gathering capabilities and/or an established database, meaning it's sent Kinos through or someone else has fed it data or explored off of the ship before). So it takes a completely unique nine chevron gate to dial into the ship. But he also said from our galaxy. Leading me to conclude that other galaxies might also have gates capable of dialing into the gate. Instead of just receiving from it.

Another odd thing I noticed. No furniture except on what they call the observation deck, and that looked more like a dining area. I'm not quite sure what to make of what that implies yet. No control area furniture, but standard, not regressed or missing or hidden eating (or very small, bare meeting/drinking tables) in one room. For a huge ship it looked like eating tables for maybe eight or ten people. Thats' very odd. Of course we don't know the layout of the rest of the ship yet. And we don't know the habits and customs of the designers. Maybe they didn't use much furniture. Maybe they reclined to eat, or slept on the floor. Just don't know yet.

I still didn't get to see in rerun the original wave function disruption that would mean the ship started FTL after the crew arrived. I saw it too late. And I guess we can't really know any of these things for sure until more evidence develops and more of the ship and background is exposed. Right now though I'm gonna say the on-board ship cannot receive or send in FTL, that entirely unique gates are needed to dial into it, that it was boarded at one time, and that it has some kinda on-board AI, or at least a remote controlled one. I'm also not sure one way or another whether the other parts of the ship are occupied, and if so by whom. But right now I'm gonna say it looks like someone else has been aboard at least at some time in the past.

For now though I'm just fishing though. We'll learn as it goes along I reckon.




That's an interesting observation. Very probable too if he mentioned Russian (you guys with good hearing probably heard a lot in the dialogue I can't). Eli looks like the kinda guy who would know what's for about Russian cinema.
He explicitely mentioned Russian, but Kino is also the German word for cinema. ;)
 

He explicitely mentioned Russian, but Kino is also the German word for cinema. ;)
I don't think the reference is just about the word for cinema. The show's Kinos look like little mechanical eyes. Russian documentarian Dziga Vertov created the concept of a "Kino-eye." From wiki he is quoted as saying "I am an eye. I am a mechanical eye. I, a machine, I am showing you a world, the likes of which only I can see" Dziga Vertov - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It's really an unusual reference for Eli to be making and for Lt. Scott to just nod like he understands. Of course Scott might just be nodding to get Eli to explain about the Kinos rather than Russian filmmaking.
 
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I'm re-watching it now, and I just realized that Rush had glasses that broke when he boarded the Destiny. As a glasses-wearer myself I gotta say that must absolutely suck for him. I hope they're a light prescription. If that happened to me on my way to a place where I might never be able to get glasses again, I don't know what I'd do. I'd be completely useless. I wouldn't be able to recognize people's faces until they were within about five feet of me.


It would have to be timed really well though so as not to consume a whole lot of unnecessary power.

I think that was the intent. But it didn't work out as planned.

It also seems strange to me that large sections of the ship seem inaccessible. As if intentionally blocked off.

Well, obviously something happened to the ship between Earth and where the Earth folks met up with it. The ship seems to have intelligence of some sort, so it doesn't seem unreasonable that it would try to seal itself off from damage, trying to protect the still habitable sections of the ship. I think this type of thing is even possible with normal real-world technology. You detect a loss of pressure and you start to seal hatches. I think a lot of real-world ships do this when they detect water inside the hull to try to limit the amount of water getting in.


And the damage to the shuttle and the open doorway to that shuttle area. If the shuttle had been damaged by disaster or attack from outside then the door should have either been damaged from the outside, crumpled or blown inwards, or simply still shut. Yet the door was open as if someone from inside had tried to access the shuttle.

There were two doors there. It looked to me like one of the doors (the one that was half-open) was damaged enough to prevent it from closing, but the door on to the shuttle itself was open at the time of the attack, so it was protected from damage.


But the ship itself, well, you don't open and shut doors, or leave them halfway open if your intent is to secure the ship, and you don't expose atmospheric leaks, you seal them. And you don't close off parts of the ship if you're simply expecting your normal crew to arrive. Something occurred in the intervening time and positioning of the ship. Something that looks at least very much like an intentional breach, an invasion, or a boarding.)

It looks to me like it intended to close off all leaks. I think they said the only leak left was from the shuttle, whose door seems to have been damaged. I highly doubt the ship's intention was to only half-shut that door.

And why would you not close off parts of the ship that are damaged if you're expecting crew? You don't want that crew to get sucked out of hull breaches. Better to amputate the limb (or seal off parts of the ship) than sacrifice the whole body (or ship).


He said, "that gate (the gate they dialed from) was the only way to dial this ship from our galaxy."

Because of the unique properties of the planet it was on, not the gate itself. And they needed the planet for the power requirements. It's true that that was probably the only gate in the galaxy capable of dialing the Destiny, but only because it was the only gate supplied with enough power. If they could generate this much power on another planet (like Earth) then they could dial Destiny again.


Another odd thing I noticed. No furniture except on what they call the observation deck, and that looked more like a dining area.

Again, there were beds. And benches against the walls in some of the other rooms. I'm not surprised that the control panels had no chairs. There are some modern ships and control areas that prefer their operators to stand while on duty. Helps keep them awake. I think it shows that it was designed for those working to have little distractions, but there were still comfortable areas (like the observation deck) for people off duty.

Right now though I'm gonna say the on-board ship cannot receive or send in FTL, that entirely unique gates are needed to dial into it, that it was boarded at one time, and that it has some kinda on-board AI, or at least a remote controlled one. I'm also not sure one way or another whether the other parts of the ship are occupied, and if so by whom. But right now I'm gonna say it looks like someone else has been aboard at least at some time in the past.

I don't see any evidence of past boarding. My guess is that the ship was attacked in passing, maybe because it passed near a civilization that didn't know what it was and decided to attack first and ask questions later. I highly doubt there's anything living still on the ship. Why would it have let the life support get so run down?

The ship definitely has some sort of AI, but it may just be the rudimentary AI we have nowadays, not anything lifelike.

I will say it's reasonable to say the ship cannot establish a wormhole (incoming or outgoing) when in FTL.


Watching the beginning again, the way Rush walks up the stairs and looks out on the confusion of everyone pouring through the gate makes me think he had some idea already of what was beyond the ninth chevron. I think we'll find out in later episodes that he knew much more than he was letting on.

They also mention around the middle of the show (end of part 1, I presume) that they don't know how the go'auld found the base where they were attempting to dial the ninth chevron. Dare I suggest that Rush tipped them off, knowing it would force an evacuation to the Destiny, assuming he could get it open? I don't know enough about his character yet to say whether he's capable of such a thing. If he did do it, though, he probably believes he did it for some greater good.

Edit: Regarding furniture, there's a chair in one of the bedrooms and one in the room where Eli found the Kinos. When we look through the first Kino you can see chairs and tables behind them.

Edit2: I also noticed that the button to open and close the shuttle door is a touchpad. It may require a human finger to operate it, something with body heat. They might require these so that things can't fall on the panel and accidentally open the door. A pencil strapped to a kino, even if it could be controlled well enough, might not be able to hit the appropriate combination.
 
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Re: Rush & his glasses -- yeah, when he was looking at the roster of people onboard, he was holding it so he could see it properly. IIRC, it was down low, so he's farsighted, apparently.

I think the ship's story is that it was set up by the Ancients as a long-term, long-range exploration project. They sent out unmanned robotic probes across the universe to find habitable planets and seed Stargates. Then they sent out the Destiny, with a special long-range gate. When Destiny got to the far galaxies, they planned to dial it up, gate in, and explore the universe beyond their normal range.

However, they ascended before the Destiny got there, so they never signed on for the tour. And for all the eons since, the Destiny has been touring the universe, like an automated express train with no passengers. The humans happened to catch it, but the gate home is kablooey, and now they're stuck on the train. They can hop off at the stops, but they have no control over the course.

(In other words, the adventure's a real railroad. ;))

Part of that is conjecture, and part is hazy memory of stuff I read about it months ago. No idea how much is memory, and how much is made up by me.
 

I'll return to this in a few days or so guys. Right now I have a case and some other work to take care of. Hopefully this weekend I can see the next episode and will know some more.

Some of your speculations are real interesting (I especially liked the Russian filmmaker - mechanical eye thing), but I guess no matter how much we thresh it out we won't know some things til it happens.

See ya later.
 

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