Status of D&D Game Table?

[Drkfathr1]

So, 8 months with nothing in sight is acceptable?

Yeah, saying a year late is really out of line!

The whole "big announcement" at Gencon 2 years ago had the Game Table shoved front and center, along with that Character Visualizer.

That was what? 10 or 11 months before 4th edition was even released? Should that count too?

 

[filthgrinder]

It's not acceptable, because a fake bill of goods was sold to their customers.

You were sold the game table, the game table wasn't delivered, so you deserve, no you SHOULD DEMAND, a full refund.

So, let's see, you paid $0 for the game table, and you were refunded $0, so looks like everything was balanced out.

Now, in back over here in reality, I saw WotC offer DDI up contained Dragon and Dungeon magazines, the compendium, and bonus tools. Thats what was originally offered. That is what I bought. They've since given me the character builder, without charging me more.

So it seems like I'm making out like a bandit with what I was sold, and you recieved a complete and total refund on the game table that you were "sold".

You also mentioned that you are in software, so you are fully aware of the term "vaporware", and fully know to not believe anything until you see it.

 

[Scribble]

It's not acceptable, because a fake bill of goods was sold to their customers. A product was promised and now it isn't (& might never) be available. I enjoy 4e, but haven't (and have no plans on) subscribing to DDI, until they offer the features in their entirety.[/qoute]

I don't know. I mean I agree they overstated their promo stuff, but I knew exactly what I was getting when I bought my DDI subscription... I don't think they sold me a fake bill of goods.

If I missed a deadline at work by a few days, my @SS is on a platter, but at WOTC they've missed it by 8 months and nobody's mentioning it.

Does your company also publicly announce whose asses are on the proverbial platters every time? I'm guessing a whole lot of people in the DDI department got themselves a nice big reaming. Ouch.

P.S. I work in software development, we don't get YEARS-worth of extensions...

So what do you do if you discover you NEED those years to make a product that works as planned? Just release a crappy half/assed product instead?

 

[renau1g]

You were sold the game table, the game table wasn't delivered, so you deserve, no you SHOULD DEMAND, a full refund.

So, let's see, you paid $0 for the game table, and you were refunded $0, so looks like everything was balanced out.

Now, in back over here in reality, I saw WotC offer DDI up contained Dragon and Dungeon magazines, the compendium, and bonus tools. Thats what was originally offered. That is what I bought. They've since given me the character builder, without charging me more.

So it seems like I'm making out like a bandit with what I was sold, and you recieved a complete and total refund on the game table that you were "sold".

You also mentioned that you are in software, so you are fully aware of the term "vaporware", and fully know to not believe anything until you see it.

Sorry, but look at the back of your PHB... doesn't that contain an option that was sold with the $30 book...?

Also, what was originally offered, if you go back to their launch of the Digital Initiative, is a Virtual Tabletop as the centerpiece of their initiative.

As I said previous, I really enjoy the 4e books, and hear great things about Dungeon & Dragon and the builder, but it seems that missed deadlines and missing features are acceptable to some people. If you're happy with mediocrity that's fine, but I guess I was hoping for a bit more from Wizard's attempt to jump back into the Digital water's after their last failure.

Just because I'm aware of vapourware, doesn't mean I have to like it. It's like saying an accountant should be ok with cooking the books, because he's in the business...

 

[renau1g]

It's not acceptable, because a fake bill of goods was sold to their customers. A product was promised and now it isn't (& might never) be available. I enjoy 4e, but haven't (and have no plans on) subscribing to DDI, until they offer the features in their entirety.[/qoute]

I don't know. I mean I agree they overstated their promo stuff, but I knew exactly what I was getting when I bought my DDI subscription... I don't think they sold me a fake bill of goods.

Maybe I used too strong of a sentiment, but when I said that I meant their original material, not once they started charging $ for the subscription.

Does your company also publicly announce whose asses are on the proverbial platters every time? I'm guessing a whole lot of people in the DDI department got themselves a nice big reaming. Ouch.

No, but we're not a public company either.

So what do you do if you discover you NEED those years to make a product that works as planned? Just release a crappy half/assed product instead?

I'll be honest, we've never had this issue... I can't imagine how something could get this far off track, especially based on the demos displayed previously.

 

[Nightson]

Good companies push back releases if there's problems.

Bad companies go ahead and release software with problems because they don't want to push back the release date.

 

[Scribble]

As I said previous, I really enjoy the 4e books, and hear great things about Dungeon & Dragon and the builder, but it seems that missed deadlines and missing features are acceptable to some people. If you're happy with mediocrity that's fine, but I guess I was hoping for a bit more from Wizard's attempt to jump back into the Digital water's after their last failure.

I'm fine with missed deadlines so long as I'm not being charged for them.

If I paid WoTC money with the understanding that they would provide me with a virtual tabletop... and then none was delivered, I'd be rightfully upset.

But that has not happened.

 

[renau1g]

Good companies push back releases if there's problems.

Bad companies go ahead and release software with problems because they don't want to push back the release date.

Good companies hit their release dates jk

Seriously though, Betheseda is considered by many to be a good company, yet their Elder Scrolls series & Fallout 3 game were released and full of crash-worthy bugs...

 

[Scribble]

Maybe I used too strong of a sentiment, but when I said that I meant their original material, not once they started charging $ for the subscription.

Shrug. Ads and promos don't mean much to me. I only care about what I get for my money. Again if they charged me 15 dollars and told me I could use the Virtual Table, and then when I logged on it said, oh crap it's not ready it'll be there soon, but we're still going to charge you for use of the table... I'd be madder then a cat in a bathtub...

But they didn't do that. They said we want to include the tabletop, but it's not done. We have these other features you might be interested in at a reduced price.

Those other features interested me, and I felt the price more then reasonable. Nothing fishy about the situation.

No, but we're not a public company either.

Just because they're a public company doesn't mean every business move is in a glass window. Again I'm sure behind closed doors a bunch of people have a much easier time on the can now...

I'll be honest, we've never had this issue... I can't imagine how something could get this far off track, especially based on the demos displayed previously.

Fable?

 

[renau1g]

Fable?

Very true, I hope the tabletop turns out better than Fable , or at least provides more than a couple of hours of entertainment.