Gretings. I have a player that is a dwarven spellcaster and wants to make his scroll out of stone, I thought that it was a neat idea and said that I would work on it. Thinking back I could remember a class (I think from 2nd ED) that allowed the caster to put thier spell into gems. but I can't find that either. I was wondering if anyone had already done this that could help me out.
Stone Scrolls
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In Magic of F there are rules for "Gem Magic" . In T & B there are classes that use candles instead of scrolls to achieve the same end result (just using a different medium). There are also several examples where classes gain an ability to do the brew potion but in a different medium. And I am pretty sure I saw in the DMG somewhere it mention that this sort of thing was encouraged so as to add flavor and distinction - just use the same rules just change the medium in which it is presented.
I say go with what Fade has suggested. No new rules necessary.
Could go a couple different routes all with very minimul effort:
*Say that anyone with the scribe scroll feat can also scribe the scroll onto rock - same costs, same everything - the single feat allows the scriber to use either of the surfaces to write the scrolls onto
* Make a new feat that exactly the same as Scribe SCroll but call it "Engrave Stone" - everything is the same as the scribe scroll feat (costs, rules, etc). This is different from the first option only in that it is a separate feat option. Therefore, someone who can scribe scrolls (which is _any_ wizard given the bonus feat) can not automatically engrave onto stones and visa versa.
just my thoughts.
I say go with what Fade has suggested. No new rules necessary.
Could go a couple different routes all with very minimul effort:
*Say that anyone with the scribe scroll feat can also scribe the scroll onto rock - same costs, same everything - the single feat allows the scriber to use either of the surfaces to write the scrolls onto
* Make a new feat that exactly the same as Scribe SCroll but call it "Engrave Stone" - everything is the same as the scribe scroll feat (costs, rules, etc). This is different from the first option only in that it is a separate feat option. Therefore, someone who can scribe scrolls (which is _any_ wizard given the bonus feat) can not automatically engrave onto stones and visa versa.
just my thoughts.
yes i can understand but unlike paper and bark it has different properties, like stone will not catch on fire. Which i know at some point would come into play. I just do not want to tell them one thing then end up taking it back. I hate having to do that. and that is just one example i am sure that my players will think of more ways to abuse it. 
Okay then, how about this.
Keep the basics of the rules the same. Just judge how the material will react to things differently - start a chart and keep it for later reference as they come up.
Fire
Paper Scrolls: will burn
Rock Scrolls: will not burn
Weight
Paper Scrolls: light
Rock Scrolls: <assign a semi-standard weight here>
Mallability
Paper Scrolls: can be rolled up for easy storage
Rock Scrolls: solid
Hardness /hit points
Paper Scrolls: have a hardness / hp of (whatever in the book)
Rock Scrolls: have better hardness / hp ratings
Water
Paper Scrolls: ink and paper eventually get ruined
Rock Scolls: engraved carvings remain regardless of weather conditions
So, basically, with paper scrolls you have some ease in transportation. But if you are willing to give that up, you have a rock scroll that is more durable (but weighs much more).
If you play the pros / cons of one type, be sure to play both the pros / cons of the other type.
just my thoughts (and I like the idea by the way - I don't think I've said that yet
)
Keep the basics of the rules the same. Just judge how the material will react to things differently - start a chart and keep it for later reference as they come up.
Fire
Paper Scrolls: will burn
Rock Scrolls: will not burn
Weight
Paper Scrolls: light
Rock Scrolls: <assign a semi-standard weight here>
Mallability
Paper Scrolls: can be rolled up for easy storage
Rock Scrolls: solid
Hardness /hit points
Paper Scrolls: have a hardness / hp of (whatever in the book)
Rock Scrolls: have better hardness / hp ratings
Water
Paper Scrolls: ink and paper eventually get ruined
Rock Scolls: engraved carvings remain regardless of weather conditions
So, basically, with paper scrolls you have some ease in transportation. But if you are willing to give that up, you have a rock scroll that is more durable (but weighs much more).
If you play the pros / cons of one type, be sure to play both the pros / cons of the other type.
just my thoughts (and I like the idea by the way - I don't think I've said that yet
)
RangerWickett
Legend
I'd be nice and let them have more than one spell on each tablet.
A scroll might weigh, oh, say 10 to a pound, if you count heavy paper and unusual construction.
A single stone tablet, about one foot by six inches, would weigh about 10 lbs. So, in exchange for the extra durability, let tablets weigh about ten times as much. Thus, each spell takes up very little space, allowing you to fit ten spells onto a small (but heavy) stone tablet. The volume would probably be about the same for ten scrolls or one tablet with ten spells, but the weight would be higher. Balance weight with durability.
A scroll might weigh, oh, say 10 to a pound, if you count heavy paper and unusual construction.
A single stone tablet, about one foot by six inches, would weigh about 10 lbs. So, in exchange for the extra durability, let tablets weigh about ten times as much. Thus, each spell takes up very little space, allowing you to fit ten spells onto a small (but heavy) stone tablet. The volume would probably be about the same for ten scrolls or one tablet with ten spells, but the weight would be higher. Balance weight with durability.
HellHound
ENnies winner and NOT Scrappy Doo
In addition to the weight (at 10 pounds they are gonna be WAY heavy! I'd maybe aim more towards 4 pounds assuming the use of slate or other easily sheared stones - but these would have less hp than a 10 pounder), stone scrolls have the disadvantage that you can't prep them nearly as quickly as the paper ones (can't stuff twelve of them into a scroll organizer, have to keep them in your pack meaning it takes time to get one out and ready).
Effectively, I think it's balanced.
Effectively, I think it's balanced.
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