Strange New Worlds season 2 - SPOILERS

[Ryujin]

This is a TV show, not a Utopia Simulator. A TV show needs drama, and forms that the audience understands.

Indeed. you can't really do commentary on modern day, without having systems that can be understood today.

I'm betting he doesn't even know how to use the three seashells.

 

[Umbran]

The adversarial system is based on the assumption that both sides will behave dishonestly in the pursuit of their desired outcome. Given that the best liars are the most expensive, it means that the outcome is determined by whoever has the most money. There is no room for justice.

Eh. There's a chicken and egg issue here, based on the profit motive of the lawyers.

Lawyers want to get paid. They want to get paid a lot, so they really want to win cases. So, there's a motive for the lawyer to win, by hook or by crook. This gets us into the state where lies and manipulations become more important to the lawyer than justice.

Now, remove the profit motive for the lawyers. We then break the loop that supports lies as an acceptable approach.

This doesn't necessarily break the adversarial system - it can then take a more Socratic cast.

 

[Maxperson]

So, Lanthanites are immortals who've been living undetected amongst humans for ages. Highlander crossover confirmed?

I just sort of assumed they were talking about Guinan's race, but apparently not!

 

[Maxperson]

And then the was a huge cover-up, which is why Kirk had never heard of Gorn. What's that knocking at the door?

So what you're saying is that the substance is Gorn with the wind?

 

[Maxperson]

They are new species of humans, alot of folks mistakenly think they are aliens species, but Spock refers to her species living among OTHER humans undetected, not living among humans undetected, it means her kind is some immortal or long lived human offshoot species.

Apparently nobody gave Methuselah and the others the memo.

 

[Umbran]

The combat juice was cool but i really hope in the next episode we learn about their incredibly bad side effects or they are insanely addicting or something. Because right now it’s basically super soldier serum that seems to be side effect free.

I expect this will unfold slowly - not in the next episode, but over time as the war becomes relevant, or Dr. M'Benga's PTSD becomes an issue, or something.

They could go with its “very hard to make” which works for the current timeline but wouldn’t hold up in the future when replicators get a lot better.

I didn't come away thinking it was side-effect free. It looks like it came with high aggression levels that make it very difficult to control violent behavior. When they took it, they had a very good use for that violent behavior. In other contexts, it would probably be a notable unwanted side effect, like a rage in which the user stops being able to tell friend from foe.

It would be super-easy to note that the thing probably has major impacts on the human adrenal system in the long term. In the middle of a life-or-death situation, that can be acceptable, where long term use will probably kill you, make your heart explode, break blood vessels in your brain, and such.

Also, look forward to it already being illegal in civilian use, or even use by Starfleet personnel in peacetime. The Doc carries it around... but probably isn't supposed to.

The “haunted war vet” angle works for me for Mbenga, I thought his story was one of the weakest on season 1 so glad to see a new direction for him

It also gives us one possible future reason why he's not Chief Medical Officer when Kirk is in command...

 

[Umbran]

I'm telling you, it made from distilled essence of Gorn! That's why the Gorn are about to attack. And then the was a huge cover-up, which is why Kirk had never heard of Gorn. What's that knocking at the door?

I am probably going to go back and watch "The Arena" again, to verify what was said back then.

Pike and crew encounter the Gorn in 2259. Kirk's arena encounter is in 2267. Eight years is more than enough time for the Gorn to develop a new ship design, so we can forgive that mystery, at least.

More interesting is how Spock keeps his mouth shut in Space Seed and Wrath of Khan. "Yes, we used to have a Chief Security Officer that was one of your descendants. Thankfully, she showed no sign of your illogical need for personal power..."

 

[MarkB]

More interesting is how Spock keeps his mouth shut in Space Seed and Wrath of Khan. "Yes, we used to have a Chief Security Officer that was one of your descendants. Thankfully, she showed no sign of your illogical need for personal power..."

It probably happened in the same offscreen scene in which Khan ran into Chekov for the first time.

 

[Stalker0]

I expect this will unfold slowly - not in the next episode, but over time as the war becomes relevant, or Dr. M'Benga's PTSD becomes an issue, or something.



I didn't come away thinking it was side-effect free. It looks like it came with high aggression levels that make it very difficult to control violent behavior. When they took it, they had a very good use for that violent behavior. In other contexts, it would probably be a notable unwanted side effect, like a rage in which the user stops being able to tell friend from foe.

It would be super-easy to note that the thing probably has major impacts on the human adrenal system in the long term. In the middle of a life-or-death situation, that can be acceptable, where long term use will probably kill you, make your heart explode, break blood vessels in your brain, and such.

Also, look forward to it already being illegal in civilian use, or even use by Starfleet personnel in peacetime. The Doc carries it around... but probably isn't supposed to.

Yep here's hoping. I agree its super easy to explain away....which is why I'm keen on that explanation. A quick two line explanation is all I need to be satisfied.


The auxiliary's to Chekov's Gun: If the gun should be used in more than one scene, and its not, you should explain why the gun is empty.

 

[Maxperson]

"There can only be one engineer of the Enterprise" Carol Kane screams before her sword clashes with Scotty. Moments later she takes a misstep and Scotty collects her head, the power unleashed by her death causing a warp core breach that Scotty has to fix.

It writes itself!

Perhaps Scotty will choose a champion. Sulu is good with a sword.

That's all true, but it in no way excuses any of this, because none of it was necessary.

The entire premise for the trial is fatally flawed. I get that Khan and the others were mean and nasty dudes. They didn't have access to anywhere close to the level of technology the federation has. The federation has a much greater understanding of genetics and would know that the result doesn't have to be super aggressive people. Especially since they have an entire race of modified people who aren't trying to rule the universe. Additionally, Earth may be the capitol of the Federation, but they can't keep the others from voting however they wish, and this is an Earth issue.

Nothing about it makes sense.