Summon Nature's Ally vs. Summon Monster

[Lord Pendragon]

Oooooor:

Druid summons black bear, "Muhahah! feel the might of nature!"

Wizard summons celestial black bear, "Nature is nothing, the bear from another plane wins all!"

Druid casts animal growth, "Say hello to my little friend!"

Wizard summons celestial brown bear, "Oh look, my bear's friend arrived..."

Animal Growth is a great spell, but it is fifth-level, after all...

 

[youspoonybard]

Level 10. Fight.

Druid summons up 3 brown bears (SNA V).

Mage summons 1 celestial brown bear (SM V)

Druid Animal growths herself, her animal companion, and her three bears. Much Improved Grabbing ensues.

Mage teleports away like a wuss.

 

[Plane Sailing]

Don't forget the benefit of the 3.5e Neutralise Poison - it has a duration and hangs around in your body neutralising all poisons for 10mins per level !

 

[Darkness]

Animal Growth is a great spell, but it is fifth-level, after all...

Indeed.

What's more, it's not only a 5th-level Druid spell, but also a 5th-level Sorcerer/Wizard spell nowadays, so...

 

[Lord Pendragon]

Indeed.

What's more, it's not only a 5th-level Druid spell, but also a 5th-level Sorcerer/Wizard spell nowadays, so...

Hahaha. Sometimes it takes the Hand and Eye of Piratecat to point out the most salient points.

 

[Waldo]

What's more, it's not only a 5th-level Druid spell, but also a 5th-level Sorcerer/Wizard spell nowadays, so...

At least he can't cast it on his summoned celestial bear.

The Druids' need some advantage when it comes to animals.

 

[Wippit Guud]

Yeah....

It's just too bad it Animal Growth won't work on a celestial bear.

 

[Lord Pendragon]

Level 10. Fight.

Druid summons up 3 brown bears (SNA V).

Mage summons 1 celestial brown bear (SM V)

Druid Animal growths herself, her animal companion, and her three bears. Much Improved Grabbing ensues.

Mage teleports away like a wuss.

For the druid to cast Animal Growth on herself, her animal companion, and her three bears would take her five rounds. Leaving the wizzie 5 rounds to play with. My guess is that things wouldn't go as easily for the druid as you think.

 

[(Psi)SeveredHead]

For the druid to cast Animal Growth on herself, her animal companion, and her three bears would take her five rounds. Leaving the wizzie 5 rounds to play with. My guess is that things wouldn't go as easily for the druid as you think.

How does that take 5 rounds? The druid used wildshape and Natural Casting.

Round 1: Cast Summon Nature's Ally V, getting 2 (not 3) brown bears.

Round 2: Druid casts Animal Growth.

Wait 'til the druid gets Creeping Doom.

 

[Lord Pendragon]

How does that take 5 rounds?

I was under the false impression that Animal Growth only targetted one animal. My bad.