Sundering a Shield? Opposed Attack Roll?

[Shadowlore]

He said "both forms"... sounds like a character that switches between Large and Medium repeatedly, not just becomes a different size upon gaining a level or template.

-Hyp.

Actually it is a combination of Dragon Disciple with a magic item for altering self.

I have yet to actually do any "switching". The size thing hasn't really been an issue, and I was even quite willing to give it up (with or without a trade), but the DM found an alternative way that fit really well with the background of the PC.

Although ... given the number of Giants (L) we have been encountering, and other (L) creatures w/10' reach ... it may happen in the near future (boy what a story that will make, no characters in the party are aware of the dragon heritage ... and many have a beef with dragons ).

Personally, I think the DrDisc falls short, but we went with it as is, rather than making a custom one. But that is a subject for another forum...

Oh, and it has occurred to me that the question of whethger or not I'm proficient in my GrtSword is more complicated. It is a mercurial GS (S&F), and hence has an additional EWP(MGS). If it is considered a Longsword in Large form, I may not be proficient in it anyway. My DM will likely rule I am though. Of course, I have amagical GS as a spare if needs be too. I just prefer my Mercurial, it's a flavor thing.

Sorry about the confusion over "form".

Cheers,

Bill

 

[Hypersmurf]

Actually it is a combination of Dragon Disciple with a magic item for altering self.

Oh, and it has occurred to me that the question of whethger or not I'm proficient in my GrtSword is more complicated. It is a mercurial GS (S&F), and hence has an additional EWP(MGS). If it is considered a Longsword in Large form, I may not be proficient in it anyway.

Well, see, while Alter Self allows you to change your size, it doesn't change your Size.

As a Dragon Disciple, you're Large. If you're using an Alter Self effect to look like a Medium human (a damned heavy one!), it doesn't change the fact that you're Large. Which yields the interesting rules result that you should be using a Huge greatsword.

If you're using a Polymorph effect, then you are Medium, and your Greatsword polymorphs with you - when you're Medium, it's Large, when you're Large, it's Huge.

-Hyp.

 

[AGGEMAM]

Which yields the interesting rules result that you should be using a Huge greatsword.

Not if he wants to wield his Greatsword one-handed, or even two-handed for that matter.

 

[Shadowlore]

Well, see, while Alter Self allows you to change your size, it doesn't change your Size.

As a Dragon Disciple, you're Large. If you're using an Alter Self effect to look like a Medium human (a damned heavy one!), it doesn't change the fact that you're Large. Which yields the interesting rules result that you should be using a Huge greatsword.

If you're using a Polymorph effect, then you are Medium, and your Greatsword polymorphs with you - when you're Medium, it's Large, when you're Large, it's Huge.

-Hyp.

Hmm interesting I'll bounce that to him, though I suspect he'll tell me he just used the spell as the effect base for the magic item, or just change it to a polymorph base effect.

If it were the polymorph effect ... yeah it'd be an interesting effect then too.

But hey, if all we wanted was hack and slash, we'd just play Diablo.

 

[Hypersmurf]

Not if he wants wield his Greatsword one-handed, or even two-handed for that matter.

Nope. If you're Large, by the rules, you can use a Huge weapon with two hands. Even if you're four-and-a-half feet tall - say, an Ogre with Reduce cast on it - your size category is still Large.

As a Dragon Disciple, he's Large - he may be masquerading as a Medium human, but if his method of disguise doesn't change his size category - like Alter Self or Reduce - a 'natural' Greatsword for him is Huge.

-Hyp.

 

[AGGEMAM]

Nope. If you're Large, by the rules, you can use a Huge weapon with two hands. Even if you're four-and-a-half feet tall - say, an Ogre with Reduce cast on it - your size category is still Large.

You do not get the point.

He is now a medium sized character.

He becomes a large sized character (permanently, not by size altering magic).

He wants to use the same weapon when he becomes large.

A (Large) greatsword is basically the same as a Large Longsword.

You can always use a Longsword two-handed (to get one-and-half times Str bonus to damage).

 

[Hypersmurf]

A (Large) greatsword is basically the same as a Large Longsword.

Pretty much. But Mercurial Longswords and Mercurial Greatswords are not martial weapons.

A Medium character with EWP Merc Greatsword knows how to use the Large sword. If he found a Large Merc Longsword, since it's basically the same, I'd let him use it. I wouldn't let him use a Medium Merc Longsword, or a Medium Merc Greatsword - they're not what he's trained to use.

A Large character with EWP Merc Greatsword knows how to use a Huge weapon, not a Large one.

So once he Dragon Disciples up to Large, he won't be able to use his Large Mercurial Greatsword properly - he'll have to acquire a Huge one.

-Hyp.

 

[AGGEMAM]

Pretty much. But Mercurial Longswords and Mercurial Greatswords are not martial weapons.

I intentionally did not mention Mercurial sword of any kind, since that was not part of the original question.

A Medium character with EWP Merc Greatsword knows how to use the Large sword. If he found a Large Merc Longsword, since it's basically the same, I'd let him use it. I wouldn't let him use a Medium Merc Longsword, or a Medium Merc Greatsword - they're not what he's trained to use.

You are confusing sizes, but that is beside the point. IMO, exotic weapons should never be scaleable, ie useable by a different sized character than intended.

A Large character with EWP Merc Greatsword knows how to use a Huge weapon, not a Large one.

No, that basically requires a new EWP, but I'll probably allow it anyway.

 

[Hypersmurf]

I intentionally did not mention Mercurial sword of any kind, since that was not part of the original question.

... except that he's stated that the sword he wants to retain is a Mercurial Greatsword.

You are confusing sizes, but that is beside the point.

Every size I've typed is exactly what I intended...

No, that basically requires a new EWP, but I'll probably allow it anyway.

If someone Polymorphs or Righteous Mights up a size category, their Exotic Weapon scales with them, and they know how to use it. If someone handed them a normal-sized version of the weapon, it would be "wrong" for what they knew how to use.

-Hyp.

 

[AGGEMAM]

... except that he's stated that the sword he wants to retain is a Mercurial Greatsword.

Not in the original question. And he also pointed out that there could be a problem with his Mercurial sword, but he would just use a normal magical Greatsword he already had instead.

Every size I've typed is exactly what I intended...

I do not think so. A medium Greatsword is a Greatsword made especially for a Small character. And is basically a longsword. However, upcoming rules will show that you cannot use a weapon that is intented for a character more than one size category removed from your own without an EWP for that particular weapon.

If someone Polymorphs or Righteous Mights up a size category, their Exotic Weapon scales with them, and they know how to use it. If someone handed them a normal-sized version of the weapon, it would be "wrong" for what they knew how to use.

As I said, I would probably allow it.