Spoilers Superman Spoiler Thread

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

Though as noted, he's really a Mon-El copy, since the whole Imperial Guard started out as LSH expies on the part of Dave Cockram and Chris Claremont (though his real name is probably a Superman joke).

Marvel during that era was weirdly obsessed with the LSH. Wolverine started off as a "we gotta get us our own Timber Wolf" knock-off.

Now, I love Timber Wolf, particularly from the Five Years Later and miniseries eras, but I have a hard time imagining Marvel Comics losing sleep over him.

 

[Thomas Shey]

Marvel during that era was weirdly obsessed with the LSH. Wolverine started off as a "we gotta get us our own Timber Wolf" knock-off.

That's pretty odd, since I don't think he was exceptionally popular even as Legionnaires went.

Now, I love Timber Wolf, particularly from the Five Years Later and miniseries eras, but I have a hard time imagining Marvel Comics losing sleep over him.

Yeah. I mean, there's always been a hardcore LSH fandom buried within DC fandom, but even among comics fans I have to question how well known there were in general.

(Note: back when I was still reading comics I was a massive LSH fan until the second Giffen period lost me.)

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

(Note: back when I was still reading comics I was a massive LSH fan until the second Giffen period lost me.)

Oh, man. He definitely swung for the fences during his 5YL run, but I think that was really strong until it was fully handed off to the Bierbaums, who just didn't have the comics experience to fully carry it off. (Although they did give us youthful not-clones years before the X-Men tried the same trick, which is becoming a recurrent thing here.)

I thought it was a great evolution of the LSH and adaptation to the Crisis. Mon-El/Valor replacing Superboy, Supergirl/Andromeda being her own person rather than being in Superman's shadow, Glorith, the post-apocalyptic galaxy, more interesting technology, learning the real identity of the Time Trapper in a way that felt like a payoff to previous stories and not something Giffen cooked up late in the game. All so great.

 

[chuckdee]

Marvel during that era was weirdly obsessed with the LSH. Wolverine started off as a "we gotta get us our own Timber Wolf" knock-off.

Now, I love Timber Wolf, particularly from the Five Years Later and miniseries eras, but I have a hard time imagining Marvel Comics losing sleep over him.

It was actually not that they were obsessed - it's just that Cockrum jumped ship from DC to Marvel and Wolverine was supposed to be a throw-away character in the Dark Phoenix saga.

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[trappedslider]

Real world science and superhero science have nothing in common.

thank goodness because

 

[Thomas Shey]

Oh, man. He definitely swung for the fences during his 5YL run, but I think that was really strong until it was fully handed off to the Bierbaums, who just didn't have the comics experience to fully carry it off. (Although they did give us youthful not-clones years before the X-Men tried the same trick, which is becoming a recurrent thing here.)

I thought it was a great evolution of the LSH and adaptation to the Crisis. Mon-El/Valor replacing Superboy, Supergirl/Andromeda being her own person rather than being in Superman's shadow, Glorith, the post-apocalyptic galaxy, more interesting technology, learning the real identity of the Time Trapper in a way that felt like a payoff to previous stories and not something Giffen cooked up late in the game. All so great.

The problem is that virtually every handling of the Legionnaires he did in the second run grated on me, and that was over and above the artwork not working for me at all. I'm not one of the people who was going to come out and tell him he shouldn't have evolved his art in a direction he wanted it to, but I also didn't feel a need to claim to like it when I didn't.