Spoilers Superman Spoiler Thread

If I were to pick one "science" fact that needed to be explained more in the movie, that was the anti-proton stream.

In terms of durability feats....Superman literally bathe in a stream of basically one of the deadliest weapons you could have. A stream of anti-protons would make nuclear weapons look like a kid's sparkler...and he baths in them.

Its such a small scene but in terms of durability feats....I don't actually know of a stronger showing for Superman on screen. Flying into the sun would be child's play in comparison.

Hehe that said they really don't show how anti-protons would work.....like at all....so I just chalk that one up to "oh its a really really bad thing to swim in" not "this weapon alone could annihilate the earth into ash (and I don't mean life on earth, I mean the planet)"
 

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There's an old-ish Superman comic, I think it's one of the early ones after John Byrne's post-Crisis reboot (80s?). It's the era where Lex was turned into a business tycoon rather than a lone mad scientist. Anyway, in this comic Lex realizes there has to be some connection between Clark Kent and Superman, because Kent always has the first scoops on what Supes is doing and such.

So he gets one of his minions to write a computer program to analyze all available data on Clark Kent and on Superman to figure out what their connection is. And of course, the computer tells him, "Clark Kent is Superman". This is how Lex reacts:
Now I wish some version of that scene was in the film. That's the best explanation for that I've ever heard. Kudos to whomever wrote that issue of the comic.
 

That was a dropped thread in this movie, remember. When Lex says he's going to find another victim to threaten to get Supes to talk, and muses aloud that Kent could be a good choice.
 


Not to mention, that I've seen a fair few comments from people who thought the movie was too busy (even though they liked it). Adding a scenes where Lex was flumoxxed trying to find Clark Kent would have been amusing, but would have padded the run time.
 

Luthor was kind of boring. For me he was the worst version we've seen. I like Hoult, but he didn't bring a twist to it like Eisenstein's loopy tech billionaire or Spacey's excellent Hackman homage. Hackman remains the guy, but he's a tough act to follow.

Ooof. Can't agree with this. Felt like it was the most true-to-comics version of Lex we've had. Spacey copying Hackman's oddity was okay but was copying a very non-Lex idea of the character, and Eisenberg's Lex is... eh. Even Clancy Brown is almost his own thing. A fantastic thing, mind you, but he's almost more of a tiger and not the snake I always like Lex to be (I really, really liked Mark Rolston's version in Young Justice). But I love how energetic and emotional this Lex felt; not just a cold, calculating creature but one who is just actively petty and terrible and knows it. He's not just setting things up, but he's so active in what he does compared to the others. His little actions, like actively looking for someone to threaten in front of Superman, his monkey-troll farm, his little pokes like calling him a Martian or quietly insulting Krypto in the office scene really work for me. He's vindictive and angry, and I love that Superman points it out and he like "Yeah, I know it!" and goes on to completely self-justify it. It was fantastic. Watching him glow with pride when they almost suffocate Superman to his tears of anger when he's beaten... just great. Of all the performances in the film, his was maybe the biggest standout.

And I think that's part of what I like about this film: the characters are emotional. Reeves was ultra-self-assured, Routh was wrapped up in a mild angst, and Cavill... was kind of cypher, wrapped up in existential looks. And I liked Cavill a bunch; I liked Man of Steel and even argued for it back in the great flamewars around that movie (Man, those were terrible). But Corenswet brings range and emotion that really sets him apart, and I think it helps make his Superman sing. It makes him relatable in a way that most movies don't seek to make him without sacrificing who the character is. He feels like a well-meaning dork even when he's Superman, and I think it really helps the film that he always feels like Clark, even if he doesn't wear the glasses too much in this movie. When he's going at it with Lois because he's looking at the international problem in a more simplistic, direct way and Lois just keeps inviting complication, when he's arriving back to his apartment down because he couldn't find Krypto and we get the second Lois conversation, him getting furious at Lex for stealing Krypto or having an existential crisis over why he was sent to Earth... all that stuff really works.

The rest of the cast is great to varying degrees: Fillion and Gathegi are fantastic as Guy Gardner and Mr. Terrific, two characters I'm a massive fan of (just look at my avatar) and I think they both have individual voices rather than just sounding like the same lines from two different people. Sadly Merced doesn't get nearly as much with Hawkgirl, though she does well with what she does get. Brosnahan is a fantastic Lois and the rest of the speaking Daily Planet staff are great in their roles (Poor Ron Troupe...). Ma and Pa Kent are great for what they are, though I would say they are less rubes and more rustic. I love this Pa Kent's talk with Clark and I love Ma calling him a mush.

Overall, it's a great movie. There are a few quibbles I have (the pocket dimension fight could maybe have been 20-25% less long would probably be my big one), but despite having a whole bunch of parts it doesn't feel cluttered or messy. They give a lot of characters little parts rather than trying to give everyone some storyline or something and it ends up working. Might be my favorite superhero film of the last 15 years.
 

just great. Of all the performances in the film, his was maybe the biggest standout.

I've been of the opinion for some time now that Nicolas Hoult is a quite underrated actor.

Overall, it's a great movie. There are a few quibbles I have (the pocket dimension fight could maybe have been 20-25% less long would probably be my big one), but despite having a whole bunch of parts it doesn't feel cluttered or messy. They give a lot of characters little parts rather than trying to give everyone some storyline or something and it ends up working. Might be my favorite superhero film of the last 15 years.

I quite loved it. I could go onto why, but it would require a huge amount of unpacking and might well turn into nickle and diming response from people in a way I'm uninterested in at this time.
 

When he's going at it with Lois because he's looking at the international problem in a more simplistic, direct way and Lois just keeps inviting complication,
Come to think of it, that bit reminds me somewhat of another great hero: Esmeralda Weatherwax.

"There is a very interesting debate raging at the moment about the nature of sin, for example," said Oats. "And what do they think? Against it, are they?" said Granny Weatherwax.
"It’s not as simple as that. It’s not a black and white issue. There are so many shades of gray."
"Nope."
"Pardon?"
"There’s no grays, only white that’s got grubby. I’m surprised you don’t know that. And sin, young man, is when you treat people as things. Including yourself. That’s what sin is.
"It’s a lot more complicated than that . . ."
"No. It ain’t. When people say things are a lot more complicated than that, they means they’re getting worried that they won’t like the truth. People as things, that’s where it starts."
"Oh, I’m sure there are worse crimes . . ."
"But they starts with thinking about people as things . . . "
—Terry Pratchett, Carpe Jugulum
 

Not a huge fan of superhero movies in general. I'd usually just rather read comic books, and inaccurate costumes tick me off. That's a me issue. So, I haven't watched a lot of comic movies as a result. I've watched some, and usually felt disappointed. Probably my favorite comic book movie was Watchmen, which wasn't perfect, but was about as good as it could have been. I really thought it did the comic justice. Not sure how people feel about it as a whole. I like comics, I read comics, but I don't frequent comic message boards the way I do RPG ones. Anyway, this was right up there with Watchmen for me. Not perfect, but close enough. I loved it. I teared up a couple times. Like when Clark was talking to his dad.

It was nice to see an aspirational Superman, an ideal. Feels like what we need in these times. I also felt like the President of Boravia was kind of a pastiche of Trump and Putin. And the whole Boravian aggression bit, well...

The troll farm staffed entirely with monkeys was hilarious.

I liked the Justice Gang more than I thought I would. Especially Mister Terrific. But they were all great. Guy Gardner came off like a less annoying Deadpool type of wiseass.

Overall, I really dug it, and I'd go see it in theaters again, something very rare for me.

The CGI bugged me a little, the dog and baby. Would have liked to have at least seen some practical shots of a real dog.

Edit: I also thought there were a couple of clever and subtle callbacks to earlier Superman films. The superbreath, and Superman basically fighting himself.
 
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