Supernatural Season 4 - Spoilers

[D.Shaffer]

Uriel? Damn. They're pulling out the big guns here.
From Wiki...

Uriel is often identified as a cherub and angel of repentance.[1] He "stands at the Gate of Eden with a fiery sword,"[2] or as the angel who "watches over thunder and terror."[3] In the Apocalypse of Peter he appears as the Angel of Repentance, who is graphically represented as being as pitiless as any demon. In the Life of Adam and Eve, Uriel is regarded as the spirit (i.e., one of the cherubs) of the third chapter of Genesis. He is also identified as one of the angels who helped bury Adam and Abel in Paradise.

Stemming from medieval Jewish mystical traditions, Uriel has also become the Angel of Sunday (Jewish Encyclopedia), the Angel of Poetry, and one of the Holy Sephiroth. It was Uriel who wrestled Jacob at Peniel and Uriel is depicted as the destroyer of the hosts of Sennacherib.

And from Sam..."Dean was right...you ARE all dicks" We knew that things werent all going to be rosy from the angelic side of things, but damn. I guess some of the angels still arent quite that fond of us. Mud Monkeys indeed. I do find the choice of actor they used for the role a bit interesting...a statement of sorts? Still, considering mankind is often considered one of the things that led to Lucifer's rebellion, it'll be interesting to see if Uriel's little escapade leads to anything.

 

[Merkuri]

Yeah, Uriel is one of the major archangles in the Bible, like Michael and Raphael. Of course, there's no guarantee in the Supernatural universe that these angels correspond to traditional Christian angels. They do seem very close to Christian beliefs (the names, referencing the apocalypse, "creations of my Father", etc.) but at the same time they seem to lean very towards a Zoroastrian system instead of traditional Christianity, where it's less about Jesus, God, redemption, etc and more about the cosmic conflict between Good and Evil where human beings are just sort of in the way, so who knows if all the named angels correspond to their Bible roots.

 

[Ranger REG]

I read that the part at the end with him lip syncing happened because his costar decided during one take to see what would happen if he didn't give the cue (banging on the top of the car) while Dean was drumming to himself in the car with his eyes closed.

You can watch just that part (see the Previews) in the CW website.

http://www.cwtv.com/cw-video/supernatural/short/?play=404-4629

Or rewatch the full episode in its entirety.

http://www.cwtv.com/cw-video/supernatural/full/?play=448-4651

I'm still cracking up about it.

 

[Asmo]

I do find the choice of actor they used for the role a bit interesting...a statement of sorts? Still, considering mankind is often considered one of the things that led to Lucifer's rebellion, it'll be interesting to see if Uriel's little escapade leads to anything.

Another excellent episode, indeed.
I´m not familiar with the actor playing Uriel and what you mean with " a statement of sorts"? Would you please expand on this.
I`m also interested in your thoughts about how mankind somehow led to the rebellion of Lucifer? Of course without breaking the boards code about religion and stuff.

Asmo

 

[Brown Jenkin]

I`m also interested in your thoughts about how mankind somehow led to the rebellion of Lucifer? Of course without breaking the boards code about religion and stuff.

The theory goes that angels were around since the creation and loved/were loved by God. When God made man he created them in his own image and gave them souls and loved them more than the angels. Some angels became jealous of men and started a rebelion led by Lucifer to reclaim thier place. The rebelious angels were defeated and cast out of Heaven.

This is a legend that has made it to many movies and while based on ancient sources has now reached a level in hollywood that it has become accepted as fact (much like certain vampire mythos have). The movie "The Prophesy" and its sequals cover the story in depth as well as the recent mini-series "The Fallen."

 

[Asmo]

The theory goes that angels were around since the creation and loved/were loved by God. When God made man he created them in his own image and gave them souls and loved them more than the angels. Some angels became jealous of men and started a rebelion led by Lucifer to reclaim thier place. The rebelious angels were defeated and cast out of Heaven.

So where does this theory come from, originally? Any sources? (besides what the Bible and various christian /religious scriptures says)

Asmo

 

[Merkuri]

I don't know if this was where it first came from, but doing a little research on Wikipedia I think the idea that Lucifer was cast down because he thought he was better than man is mentioned in the Quaran (reference link). It's hard to find sources for religious ideas outside of religious scripture.

I don't think there's much mention of it in the Bible except for maybe one passage in Isaiah. It's a good literary idea, though, so I could see why writers would leap on it. What makes for a better plot, the vague idea that Lucifer doubted God's plans and was cast down for it, or that he thought he was better than mankind and fell for his arrogance? It probably only needed one person to voice the idea for it to become popular.

It's very easy to hate a being who was thrown out of heaven because he thought he was better than us, and it gives him a good excuse to want to wreak havoc on mankind. If he simply doubted God's plans then it becomes easier to sympathize with him (and I believe he's been used in this sense by some authors more than once).

 

[Brown Jenkin]

So where does this theory come from, originally? Any sources? (besides what the Bible and various christian /religious scriptures says)

Asmo

Very old sources. It can be mostly derived from the Book of Enoch which dates back to at least the 1st century BC and was in sporadic use until the 4th century when it was denied canonical status except for the Ethiopian Orthodox Church.

 

[D.Shaffer]

Another excellent episode, indeed.
I´m not familiar with the actor playing Uriel and what you mean with " a statement of sorts"? Would you please expand on this.

Was mostly talking about the fact they used a black actor to play a human hating angel, one that was essentially slinging racial slurs at that. Was just wondering if the irony was intended.

For the rest of it...others have covered it well.

 

[DonTadow]

Was mostly talking about the fact they used a black actor to play a human hating angel, one that was essentially slinging racial slurs at that. Was just wondering if the irony was intended.

For the rest of it...others have covered it well.

I caught that bit of irony too. I thought his scenes were quite strong. You get the angels "tolerate" humans thing