Sustained powers that "Save Ends"?

The party comes across a rival adventure group. There is bad blood between these groups.
The NPC's Warlock cast Crown of Madness on player A, "You guys see a deformed misshappen crown appear around Player A's head and he looks a little confused now, save ends".
Player B(Warlord) -"I use Hero's Defiance to remove the charm."
DM- "(imput response here)"

Except it doesn't actually work that way.

The power does not become an "effect that a save can end" until the warlock's next turn, when he sustains it.

The point is that (as with most Daily's) even on a miss, the warlock still gets an effect from the power.
 

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Except it doesn't actually work that way.

The power does not become an "effect that a save can end" until the warlock's next turn, when he sustains it.

The point is that (as with most Daily's) even on a miss, the warlock still gets an effect from the power.

It doesn't say this anywhere and there is nothing to support it. That's a houserule.

Edit: I'm convinced that whoever wrote the Warlock powers didn't get the update on how powers should be written out. They should of had a Effect line or at least a second hit vs will on the second round if the first attack hit or something like. I sent in a question to Sage advice, hopefully they answer on this one.
 
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It doesn't say this anywhere and there is nothing to support it. That's a houserule.

Wrong, wrong, and wrong.

The text that supports it has been quoted (twice, at your request since you couldn't be bothered to read the posts at the beginning of the thread), and it supports it explicity. Thus, it is not a houserule.
 

Wrong, wrong, and wrong.

The text that supports it has been quoted (twice, at your request since you couldn't be bothered to read the posts at the beginning of the thread), and it supports it explicity. Thus, it is not a houserule.

Yeah yeah yeah I read all of Hypersmurfs post and just as Danceofmask has said he didn't prove anything. All we know is how Sustain works. That's a given. There is nothing in the books that explains how sustain(save ends) works. There is nothing that specifically says "If a power has Sustain (save ends) then this is when target-A can save." There is nothing that says sustains starts the effect IN FACT using the word sustain means you must be continuing something that is already in effect. Your not sustaining "starting" an effect your SUSTAINING something that is already there.

To me the spell itself is the effect and as soon as the warlock cast it on the target it's takes effect but he can't benefit from the sustain part until his next turn.
 

Yeah yeah yeah I read all of Hypersmurfs post and just as Danceofmask has said he didn't prove anything.

Which is quite a bit different than the "nothing supports, it's just a houserule, lalalala" that you were spouting. By the way, you might want to review the forum rules before you get reported. It's a breach of etiquette to tell somone "If you do that it's a houserule" just because you disagree with them.

And DanceofMasks admitted he was in error, in his second to last post.

Despite your handwaving, it looks to me like Hypersmurf did prove something.

The relevent bit is "Some effects do something, such as attack, when you sustain them. A power's description indicates what happens when you sustain it or let it lapse."

Nothing in your posts counters or refutes that, you have just ignored it.

In this case, when you sustain it, the power becomes "Save Ends", because thats what it says on the "Sustain" line of the power. It doesn't say it anywhere else in the power, so it doesn't apply until the effects of the "Sustain" line are applied, and that doesn't happen until you actually Sustain it.

I will agree that this is a "newbie unfriendly" rule, and could have used an example or direct mention in the section on sustaining powers. But this is the only way that does not contradict the text on sustaining powers.
 
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