"Switching"

Brother MacLaren said:
I agree that I'd rather see more civility in all fandoms (including the Sox-Yankees rivalry), but I don't think there's anything wrong with allegiance or loyalty per se.
I see your point, but I guess I'm hesitant about using words as weighty as "allegiance" and "loyalty" when talking about RPGs, even RPGs that require a significant time/effort investment. Saying one is "loyal" to HERO or "allied" with WoD just seems over the top to me. "Preference" is more the word I would use.
 

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The only constant in life is change. Every time I start feeling complacent in my reality, some well known figure who was prominent at some point in my life dies and reminds me of this.RPGs are not immune to change, which is why, though I still have shelves full of books, they are not the same books I had in those shelves twenty years ago when I started into the hobby. Speaking of which, it hardly seems really, but I'm going on 24 years in the hobby this year. Wow.

So I agree with Buzz. We aren't talking about anything huge here and everyone has the right to play whatever game makes them happy. The one thing I realized last night is that I hope Paizo and WotC are both successful, because that will give me more opportunities to write over the coming years. Go 4.0! Go Pathfinder!
 

There's no need to definitively choose, or pick a side, or "switch"....Maybe you reach a compromise; you play Larry's 3.5 game for six sessions, then Sheri's 4e game for six sessions, then back to Larry's, etc.

This may be true for your group, or your friends, but it isn't true for my group. My group only plays every other week and we don't need two systems of heroic fantasy. Since 4th looks better than 3.X we're going that way. So, Paizo's decision hurt - I'll miss their quality product, and I registered on their boards to post my disappointment.
 

There's something that's missing from this dialogue. A simple observation:

Tabletop games aren't just a game. It's time spent with your friends. It's an investment of creativity, time, and effort. No one has spent ten, fifteen, twenty years playing Monopoly with their friends every weekend. No one really remembers a good game of Uno or Clue ten years later, but a good campaign? A good adventure? A good climactic fight? Your favorite character? Your first character death?

And because of that emotion that gets attached to those concepts, people want to protect it. Because something different has some sort of implication of "Well what you did wasn't as good as it could've been because these rules are better." Sure, no one ever says that to your face, but perhaps that's the way people feel when "Surprise, new edition!"

Let's take an example of a class that you played the first time in the game. Or, the class of your favorite character. Now, you may have not played that class in years. But if that class isn't included in the PHB, you might feel rejected. That whoever made the edition just put a bullet between the eyes of your character.

Is it irrational? Hell yes. But is it childish and wrong? No.

Nostalgia and emotional attachment. It's a helluva thing.
 

buzz said:
I see your point, but I guess I'm hesitant about using words as weighty as "allegiance" and "loyalty" when talking about RPGs, even RPGs that require a significant time/effort investment. Saying one is "loyal" to HERO or "allied" with WoD just seems over the top to me. "Preference" is more the word I would use.
"Preference," to me, suggests "I'll switch to Y if Y is more satisfying than X." It's a comparison between multiple options.
"Loyalty" implies "I'll stick with X unless it is actively deficient and unsatisfying." It's an evaluation of one option.

Perhaps there is another term that is better.
 

Brother MacLaren said:
Perhaps there is another term that is better.
Some people are just Unwilling to move beyond where they are. I'm sure you know the guy who thinks "System X is the ONLY system I will EVER play. All others are inferior", and he'll roll his eyes at the implication of playing another system.

And people can get damn livid over the presence of options they personally dislike. Case in point: Science fiction elements being introduced into fantasy. That can severely kick the bee's nest.

I'd call that attachment.

Hell, we don't even need to look at game systems, people argue over the superiority of campaign settings. A discussion between an Eberron fan, an FR fan and a Greyhawk fan is an epic brawl.
 
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Brother MacLaren said:
Hmm. Not a sports fan? Because those are "games" where people do indeed pick allegiances and derive enjoyment in part from those allegiances. At least, that's the case for me.
I think that sports provide a great analogy, although not in the allegiances of sports fans to specific teams. After all, Red Sox fans root for their team in organized competitions against other teams. Asking people to pick allegiances between 4.0 and Pathfinder is more like asking somebody to choose between baseball and football. Can't we all just get along?

Honestly, I think the best analogy is the platform wars among video gamers. XBox 360 or PS3? Some people can afford both and play all the best games developed, but others feel a need to choose one camp and denounce the other. That market has also had important adventure writers "switch camps." For example, it was big news when Squaresoft took their Final Fantasy franchise from Nintendo to Sony, since the additional storage space of the CD-ROM allowed them to tell the stories they wanted to tell. (Of course, that market differs from ours, too. There was no question of choosing not to advance to the "next generation" technology.)
 


talien said:
Well said Buzz! I'll go one step further:

It doesn't matter what anyone says on any board. It matters what the group you play with decides.
I totally agree with this. That's why there are OD&D, 1E, and 2E groups that still meet and play.

If my group decides PF RPG is the bee's knees, then that's where we are going, but its not like I converted to a different religion. It's what we enjoy and works for us. And that won't stop me from talking 3.5 or picking up 4E when it comes out.

Thank for the great post Buzz!
 

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