Table of Contents for Tome of Battle

[Jedi_Solo]

I was curious before. And now I'm a little more curious. This looks like one where I will flip through a friend's copy first. However, it now looks like it will be a 'flip through and then buy' instead of a 'flip through and not buy'.

 

[Presto2112]

I guess I'm one of the few who was underwhelmed by the ToC. More feats, more presitge classes, and a chapter of legacy swords. Yawn. There's already enough feats and PrCs to choke a camel by now, and I have WoL and have practiced making my own legacy items for months now. One or two chapters might make for interesting reading, but overall, I think I'll pass.

 

[Mercule]

Looks interesting. I'm not big on Wuxia, so I hope this book is broader in scope than that (and I think it will be).

The crusader, I'm especially curious about. Don't know why, but the name has my attension.

 

[el-remmen]

The more I find out about this book the less I want it.

 

[Mercule]

The more I find out about this book the less I want it.

Anything specific?

 

[Zander]

The PHB really doesn't offer fighter types many feat trees from which to choose. I hope the ToB offers different but balanced alternatives that don't have PHB feats as prerequisites.

 

[el-remmen]

Anything specific?

I think the things in it just don't fit the style of things I like.

I don't need manuevers and am not a big fan of the inundation of feats and prestige classes.

None of it seems like it would provide anything I would find indispensible to continuing/developing my style of play - which essentially is my criteria for buying any D&D books these days.

 

[DonTadow]

There are 9 maneuvers, which I can't see being better than the 30 combat challenges from iron heroes, nor the infinitive stunts you can do. I guess thats why I"m leary. I count nine maneuvers. Then this book looks like it retreads some weapons from the Weapons of Legacy book andd some feats.

 

[A'koss]

Some comments purloined from the WotC board...

The swordsage is pretty much the monk of the martial adepts with wisdom based abilities and medium BAB. It also gets the most manuevers and stances of any of the three classes.

The crusader is the paladin of the martial adepts. It is a great tank, as it can turn taken damage into bonuses to attack and damage. Full BAB. Crusader can't be True Neutral

The warblade is kind of like a fighter and barbarian. It gets a few feats as it levels. Strangely enough, it has a bunch of abilities that run off of intelligence. I fully expect to see swashbuckler/warblade builds on the CO boards. It has a barbarians proficiencies , full BAB, hit die, and uncanny dodge. It gets bonus feats fairly often...

While they all use manuevers, they all have access to different sets, with each class having at least one set unique to it. The Sublime Way styles look like they will shape what the classes are capable of, but I have not finished reading them yet, so I can't say for sure.

Yeah, it does have a wuxia feel to it. If thats not your thing, then this book probably isnt for you. I love that stuff, which is why I think the book is awesome. *Shrugs* To each his own.


Regarding similarities to Iron Heroes...

Well, I could see some similarities, but the blade magic tends to have more magical effects, it isn't as linear, and, of course, there aren't any tokens involved.


The three monsters included...

Naityan Rakshasa - Shapeshifter. Different forms benefit from different manuevers and stances.
Reth Dekala - LE fire based outsiders. Has a number of manuevers and fire/acid vilefire abilities
Valkyrie - Battle seeking outsider. Looks for tough people to fight and engages them. Wasn't impressed.

 

[DonTadow]

Some comments purloined from the WotC board...

The swordsage is pretty much the monk of the martial adepts with wisdom based abilities and medium BAB. It also gets the most manuevers and stances of any of the three classes.

The crusader is the paladin of the martial adepts. It is a great tank, as it can turn taken damage into bonuses to attack and damage. Full BAB. Crusader can't be True Neutral

The warblade is kind of like a fighter and barbarian. It gets a few feats as it levels. Strangely enough, it has a bunch of abilities that run off of intelligence. I fully expect to see swashbuckler/warblade builds on the CO boards. It has a barbarians proficiencies , full BAB, hit die, and uncanny dodge. It gets bonus feats fairly often...

While they all use manuevers, they all have access to different sets, with each class having at least one set unique to it. The Sublime Way styles look like they will shape what the classes are capable of, but I have not finished reading them yet, so I can't say for sure.

Yeah, it does have a wuxia feel to it. If thats not your thing, then this book probably isnt for you. I love that stuff, which is why I think the book is awesome. *Shrugs* To each his own.


Regarding similarities to Iron Heroes...

Well, I could see some similarities, but the blade magic tends to have more magical effects, it isn't as linear, and, of course, there aren't any tokens involved.


The three monsters included...

Naityan Rakshasa - Shapeshifter. Different forms benefit from different manuevers and stances.
Reth Dekala - LE fire based outsiders. Has a number of manuevers and fire/acid vilefire abilities
Valkyrie - Battle seeking outsider. Looks for tough people to fight and engages them. Wasn't impressed.

Problem with the current d20 system is that its all based on specialized feats that the pc must have. YOu're also pretty much stuck at some point with the same maneuvers. I can't see how that is less linear than the free form system found in Iron Heroes where you litterally combine skills with your base attack to develop new moves.