tattoos, spikes, punk, and goth in D&D images?

[rounser]

Other way around actually. Adrian brings his style to all of his projects, which is why we chose him for Dark Legacies. It perfectly suited the dark, realistic, pseudo-modern vibe we were going for.

I stand corrected for getting it backwards. He is a Warhammer artist, no wonder it looks familiar.

 

[Buttercup]

99% of 3E artwork is total, low-brow crap

See, this proves that appreciation for any sort of art is totally subjective. I like the new art, and while I want to avoid insulting anyone's taste, surely no one is suggesting that Larry Elmore's work is high brow? I mean come on.

The New Yorker is high brow. The pieces in the Museum of Modern Art or the Guggenheim are high brow. D&D artwork, from any edition, by any artist, is not.

Oh, and for the record, I can't stand Elmore's work.

 

[Parlan]

I stand corrected for getting it backwards. He is a Warhammer artist, no wonder it looks familiar.

That s funny. I’ve been reading all these posts thinking “well, I like the 3rd ed art okay, but it doesn’t truly evoke fantasy for me. I wonder what does?”

Saw Red Spire Press’ pictures (Even before reading rounser’s posts) and thought “bingo, WFRP!” I LOVE the art in that thing. Dark, moody charcoals. Chunky armor. And chains, lots of hanging chains!!!

 

[Red Spire Press]

That s funny. I’ve been reading all these posts thinking “well, I like the 3rd ed art okay, but it doesn’t truly evoke fantasy for me. I wonder what does?”

Saw Red Spire Press’ pictures (Even before reading rounser’s posts) and thought “bingo, WFRP!” I LOVE the art in that thing. Dark, moody charcoals. Chunky armor. And chains, lots of hanging chains!!!

Indeed. Which is why we're bringing it over to the d20 realm. Dark Legacies needed art to match the rich, deep, gritty atmosphere of the setting.

Edi: sorry for hijacking the thread, folks.

 

[ergeheilalt]

Why is it that people who don't like the current artwork adorning the WotC books call it crap? This is one of my peeves. Art is not crap, it just is. (with the exception of that one piece covered with elephant dung - that was crap ).

Any good discussion presents facts, and ladies, gentlemen - I can tell you with the utmost certainty, that the art in the PHB, DMG, MM, etc is not crap. I see no excriment hanging from the pages og my books - nor do I catch the oder either. Could we forgo the "crap" flinging, I just don't think it's showing respect for otherr people's opinions.

Erge

 

[Dark Jezter]

Why is it that people who don't like the current artwork adorning the WotC books call it crap? This is one of my peeves. Art is not crap, it just is. (with the exception of that one piece covered with elephant dung - that was crap ).

Any good discussion presents facts, and ladies, gentlemen - I can tell you with the utmost certainty, that the art in the PHB, DMG, MM, etc is not crap. I see no excriment hanging from the pages og my books - nor do I catch the oder either. Could we forgo the "crap" flinging, I just don't think it's showing respect for otherr people's opinions.

Erge

Although I like the art in the 3e books, I think that the people who hate it still have the right to refer to it as crap if they want to. If you're going to spend time on internet forums, one of the first things you'll have to learn how to do is accept that people are gonna say things that you don't like.

For example, I have some friends who are fans of the anime series Neon Genesis Evangelion. They love it and think it's great. I, on the other hand, consider it to be pretentious crap, and have not sugar-coated my words when they asked me about it.

So, I don't mind if people refer to 3e artwork as crap, even though I love it.

 

[I'm A Banana]

So, I don't mind if people refer to 3e artwork as crap, even though I love it.

Going with that idea, do you mind if we refer to the arguments against 3e artwork as being crap? What about the people pushing those ideas?

It's a slippery slope...I think expressing why you don't like art goes a lot further to being a contribution to the discussion than just griping and insulting it....people like things you don't sometimes, and you not liking them doesn't make them crap.

 

[Dark Jezter]

Going with that idea, do you mind if we refer to the arguments against 3e artwork as being crap? What about the people pushing those ideas?

Go right ahead.

It's a slippery slope...I think expressing why you don't like art goes a lot further to being a contribution to the discussion than just griping and insulting it....people like things you don't sometimes, and you not liking them doesn't make them crap.

Agreed. Giving reasons about why you think a piece of art is crap makes your post a lot more credible than just saying "3e artwork sucks. 1e and 2e artwork is superior in every way."

Although to me, using buzzwords like "dungeonpunk" as a way of equating 3e artwork to crap isn't a very compelling argument.

 

[Spatula]

I really can't understand why they never use Wood or Lockwood any more,

Lockwood was let go by WotC some time ago. I'm not sure if Sam Wood is still a staff member there but probably not if you're not seeing any work from him.

 

[Dark Jezter]

Lockwood was let go by WotC some time ago. I'm not sure if Sam Wood is still a staff member there but probably not if you're not seeing any work from him.

Well, Lockwood did do artwork in Draconomicon, so it appears that he still does occasionally do illustrations for WotC.