Terminator 3

[Diamond Cross]

I'm watching Terminator 3 right now on FX. It's not a bad movie. But there's one big huge problem that I have with it.

It breaks the theme of Terminator 2. That theme was "No Fate But What YOU Make".

Because it makes Skynet inevitable and everything they did a moot point.

I have not seen Terminator 4 so I don't how true it is for that movie.

Yes, I feel they should have stopped at Terminator 2.

 

[Alzrius]

I'm watching Terminator 3 right now on FX. It's not a bad movie. But there's one big huge problem that I have with it.

It breaks the theme of Terminator 2. That theme was "No Fate But What YOU Make".

Because it makes Skynet inevitable and everything they did a moot point.

Isn't that true for Terminator 1 also? When, at the end of the movie,

Spoiler

Sarah is told that a storm is coming, and she grimly replies "I know" before driving off into the distance

, that's pretty much the same lesson that we're getting in T3.

I'd say that sense of coming full circle is what really makes the movie, at least fo rme.

 

[MarkB]

It doesn't quite break the message of the two previous movies. The lesson it seems to suggest is that it's possible to change the future, but only into another future that contains Skynet - otherwise, there'd be nowhere for the Terminators and Kyle Reese to come back to the past from.

There's no doubt it's a darker message than that of T2, but I guess that was the intention.

 

[Diamond Cross]

Isn't that true for Terminator 1 also? When, at the end of the movie,

Spoiler

Sarah is told that a storm is coming, and she grimly replies "I know" before driving off into the distance

, that's pretty much the same lesson that we're getting in T3.

I'd say that sense of coming full circle is what really makes the movie, at least fo rme.

I don't believe so. However, when that was first made I don't think they had the "No fate" in mind, they just wanted to tell an adventure story. BUT I am uncertain.

 

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

I don't believe so. However, when that was first made I don't think they had the "No fate" in mind, they just wanted to tell an adventure story. BUT I am uncertain.

Yes, I am not convinced they went that deep there, but if anything - that movie "proved" fate. The machines could not kill Sarah Connor and avert John Connors existence. (I think it's only the second movie where we learn that this was actually what created John Connor.)

 

[Plane Sailing]

I'm watching Terminator 3 right now on FX. It's not a bad movie. But there's one big huge problem that I have with it.

It breaks the theme of Terminator 2. That theme was "No Fate But What YOU Make".

Hey, I thought Terminator 2 broke the theme of Terminator 1 since (a) in T1 there was one terminator, one human sent through and then it was blown up (b) the T1 terminator was all pretty believable technology, the T2 was magic technology... and why didn't that get sent back in T1 too?

I felt that T1 had a perfect ending.

I'd have been happy if they stopped with T1, to be honest!

Cheers

 

[Starman]

<snip> the T2 was magic technology... and why didn't that get sent back in T1 too?

I've thought about that, too, and justified it by saying that the event of T1 altered the time line in some way.

 

[coyote6]

I've thought about that, too, and justified it by saying that the event of T1 altered the time line in some way.

That was the TV show's thing, though they never said it. Season 2 showed it, though -- every single group of resistance fighters that came back in time came from a different timeline.

 

[Starman]

That was the TV show's thing, though they never said it. Season 2 showed it, though -- every single group of resistance fighters that came back in time came from a different timeline.

Interesting. I've never actually seen the TV show.

 

[stonegod]

Interesting. I've never actually seen the TV show.

It had gotten pretty good, esp. with dealing with the multiple timelines thing. Unfortunately, they canned it to keep Dollhoue around. And while I have enjoyed much of Whedon, I don't think that was the better choice.