The Batman (spoilers)

Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
It occurs to me that Batman did not succeed at anything in this movie. He solved some riddles after each crime, but didn't prevent a single crime. Didn't catch the Riddler. He was just playing catch up until Riddler let himself be caught. Didn't stop the final bomb plan. The one thing he did was help some folks out of the wreckage at the end, but that was his only accomplishment in this film. It's like Raiders of the Lost Ark (where Indy achieves nothing in the whole movie).

Still loved it though.
 

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Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
A friend referred to the opening sequence as the greatest Batman short film in history, and I have to agree. Watching the movie now.
It reminded me of so many comic book openings. A traditional Batman 'I am the night' voiceover.

Also, it's Taxi Driver.
 

Bolares

Hero
It occurs to me that Batman did not succeed at anything in this movie. He solved some riddles after each crime, but didn't prevent a single crime. Didn't catch the Riddler. He was just playing catch up until Riddler let himself be caught. Didn't stop the final bomb plan. The one thing he did was help some folks out of the wreckage at the end, but that was his only accomplishment in this film. It's like Raiders of the Lost Ark (where Indy achieves nothing in the whole movie).

Still loved it though.
He saved all that people at the end, when they were going to be eletrocuted.
 




Stalker0

Legend
It occurs to me that Batman did not succeed at anything in this movie. He solved some riddles after each crime, but didn't prevent a single crime. Didn't catch the Riddler. He was just playing catch up until Riddler let himself be caught. Didn't stop the final bomb plan. The one thing he did was help some folks out of the wreckage at the end, but that was his only accomplishment in this film. It's like Raiders of the Lost Ark (where Indy achieves nothing in the whole movie).

Still loved it though.
We could argue that ultimately is the character development of this Batman.

His whole "I am Vengeance" schtick is NOT working, and that is reiterated across the movie. His beat up the bad guys routine ultimately fails, and in fact, is encouraging new psychopaths. Only when he changes gears to start helping the innocent instead of punishing the guilty, does he finally gain victory.
 

payn

Legend
Just saw it now. I really enjoyed how it did so many origin stories without having to start at square one. All these characters are on their way to becoming who they famously will be. I love John Turturro and he really brought it in this. Colin Farrell I have liked for along time and his penguin was great too. My only complaint for actors was Jefferey Wright's Gordon, though I blame the writing. His Gordon basically serves as a get bats in and out of places and a plot mover. Even more annoying was the parts he says things out loud that I am clearly reading on the screen. I saw the movie alone, but it was like I was watching it with the slowest person I know and having to explain to them what's happening constantly (you know the type).
 

Davies

Legend
It occurs to me that Batman did not succeed at anything in this movie. He solved some riddles after each crime, but didn't prevent a single crime. Didn't catch the Riddler. He was just playing catch up until Riddler let himself be caught. Didn't stop the final bomb plan. The one thing he did was help some folks out of the wreckage at the end, but that was his only accomplishment in this film. It's like Raiders of the Lost Ark (where Indy achieves nothing in the whole movie).
Except, you know, saving Marion from someone who would have tortured and murdered her.
 


It occurs to me that Batman did not succeed at anything in this movie. He solved some riddles after each crime, but didn't prevent a single crime. Didn't catch the Riddler. He was just playing catch up until Riddler let himself be caught. Didn't stop the final bomb plan. The one thing he did was help some folks out of the wreckage at the end, but that was his only accomplishment in this film. It's like Raiders of the Lost Ark (where Indy achieves nothing in the whole movie).

Still loved it though.

He also saved Bruce Wayne. ;)
I did have the same thought at one point in the movie, and I think more people may have died in the car chase with the penguin (who they let go).

But it didn't really impact my enjoyment of the film.
 






embee

Lawyer by day. Rules lawyer by night.
I really enjoyed it.

It focused on the detective side of Batman. Less punching (relatively speaking) and more solving.

I loved that it was willing to slaughter some sacred cows of the mythos, such as Saint Thomas, best embodied in Batman Begins. The Batman's Thomas Wayne is definitely more in keeping with Frank Miller. Especially with the inclusion of the Long Halloween part where Thomas had saved Falcone's life while a young Bruce watched from afar.

Just as the Tom Holland Spider-Man movies didn't show Uncle Ben getting killed, The Batman didn't show Thomas and Martha getting killed. Thank goodness for small mercies.

The big name actors allowed themselves to get immersed and disappear in the roles. Russell Crowe, who only had a bit part, did solid work as Commissioner Savage. Mad props, though, to Colin Farrell whose Penguin by-way-of Robert DeNiro's Al Capone was great.

This is a relentlessly bleak movie. Tonally, on the same level as Arkham Asylum: A Serious House On Serious Earth. The mood is fairly well set by the use of Nirvana's Something In The Way.

In the grand scheme of things, I'd put The Batman near the top of the heap. Paul Dano's RIddler isn't as epic as Heath Ledger's Joker but Robert Pattinson is a better rookie Batman than Christian Bale. As far as their portrayals of Bruce Wayne, well, there's almost no Bruce Wayne in the movie.

I've long been a fan of AA:ASHOSE and because of that, because the production is so close to Dave McKean's vision of Batman, I really like this movie. I think I like it more than Batman Begins.
 

embee

Lawyer by day. Rules lawyer by night.
It occurs to me that Batman did not succeed at anything in this movie. He solved some riddles after each crime, but didn't prevent a single crime. Didn't catch the Riddler. He was just playing catch up until Riddler let himself be caught. Didn't stop the final bomb plan. The one thing he did was help some folks out of the wreckage at the end, but that was his only accomplishment in this film. It's like Raiders of the Lost Ark (where Indy achieves nothing in the whole movie).

Still loved it though.
Batman never really succeeds anyway. Villain kills someone, Batman tracks down villain and beats him up. Villain winds up back in Arkham and inevitably escapes, killing again.

He saves a couple of lives along the way but the bad guy always goes on to kill again.

That said, Batman standing on the wreckage, actually helping survivors, is probably at the level of Gordon's closing monologue at the end of The Dark Knight.
 


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