The Blood War: Part of Mordenkainen's Contents Page

Very interesting! Although I would rather have seen some of the table of contents concerning the Bestiary, this is quite intriguing as well!

 

[Parmandur]

If the last blood war page is 34, then its 62 pages till page 96, that would easily give Dwarves 22 pages of total space and Elves 40 pages.

Of course that means Gith and Gnomes and Halfings have about 20 pages split between them, which I could see.

Gith only have two subraces and have no Gods (unless you count Zerthomon), and their history is pretty straight forward compared to say elves or dwarves.

Illithids enslaved them, they revolted under Gith, who got trapped in hell, with one side becoming Githyanki who allied with Red Dragons under the rule of a Lich Queen in the Astral Plane and the Githzerai settled in Limbo imposing order on it with their displined minds. And the two Gith races fight each other alot and the Illithids even more in a three way war. Maybe detail each subraces main cities. And talk about their unique physology and psionic power.

There isn't the racial, religious and cultural diversity that other races experience that elves or fiends experience or even Dwarves, the Gith appear to be in two monotone societies based on subraces.

The Gith chapter seems to be wrapping up on 96, give or take, so it seems the Gith/Elves/Dwarves split about 70 pages between them. I'll bet the Wlf chapter is the longest, but not as long as the Blood War.

 

[gyor]

96 is the Gith stats in chapter four, which probably come a bit of a way into chapter four, the Dwarf chapter ends somewhere between 84 and 96.

Oops. If Dwarves end say page 86, that still leaves say a 30-20 or 35-15 page splits between Elves and Dwarves. Which if the Gith stats are at the end of their chapter, suggests maybe 12-13 pages for the Gith.

That suggests that around page 98 the stats would be done and the Beastairy starts at 117, 18 pages split between Gnomes and Halflings.

 

[MonsterEnvy]

At the moment, we know that the canoloth, marraenoloth, and dergholoth will be updated, at the very least. I would be very surprised if the piscoloth and yagnoloth failed to join them, along with (hopefully) more types as well...

Do we even need any others.

Mezzoloth, Dergholoth, Canoloth, Marraenoloth, Piscoloth, Yagnoloth are pretty much all we need for the Lesser Yugoloths. (I say just boot the Hydroloth, We have enough Frog/Toad Monsters in the game and the Hezrou already fills the role of a fiendish one.)

We already have the Nycaloth, Arcanaloth and Ultroloth so the only greater we are missing is the Baernaloth which does not appear to be in this book. Though I would like a Greater Ultroloth stronger then the standard one in the monster manual maybe around CR 18, to show how Ultroloths vary in power, from slightly stronger then the other greater Yugoloths, to rivals to Pit Fiends and Balors.

An Altraloth like Anthraxus would be cool too.

 

[gyor]

Of course various parts of the Beastiary will also add to lore to that of the pervious chapters, filling in gaps and adding variety

 

[Mouseferatu]

We already have the Nycaloth, Arcanaloth and Ultroloth so the only greater we are missing is the Baernaloth which does not appear to be in this book. Though I would like a Greater Ultroloth stronger then the standard one in the monster manual maybe around CR 18, to show how Ultroloths vary in power, from slightly stronger then the other greater Yugoloths to rivals to Pit Fiends and Balors.

That was one of my only real disappointments with the Monster Manual. I get that the yugoloths aren't as iconic as "proper" demons and devils, but they're still supposed to be of equal might. The ultraloths should be at least close to balors and pit fiends in terms of the threat they pose, and yet... Blargh.

(But then, I also wanted them to go back to using "daemons" instead of "yugoloths," so what do I know? )

 

[MonsterEnvy]

That was one of my only real disappointments with the Monster Manual. I get that the yugoloths aren't as iconic as "proper" demons and devils, but they're still supposed to be of equal might. The ultraloths should be at least close to balors and pit fiends in terms of the threat they pose, and yet... Blargh.

(But then, I also wanted them to go back to using "daemons" instead of "yugoloths," so what do I know? )

Well part of their lore was that standard Ultroloths were actually only slightly stronger then other Yugoloths. They just kept an air of mystery and menace about themselves that make them see much more powerful and terrifying to their lessers. However it was also stated the strength of the Ultroloths varied quite a lot. Some were simply much more powerful then others of their kind. From ones that were nearly as strong or stronger then Pit Fiends and Balors. To the General of Gehenna who rivaled powerful Archfiends.

Unlike Pit Fiends and Balors who were pretty much all equal and of more or less the same rank. It's not uncommon for powerful Ultroloths to have many lesser Ultroloths as lieutenants.

Fun fact about the Daemons and Yugoloth thing. During the leadup for 5e when the playtest was going on. They did lots of surveys and stuff to ask the community about D&D lore and Monsters. One of the articles was on the Daemons/Yugoloths and they outright polled everyone on which name they would prefer. People voted Yugoloths

 

[Mouseferatu]

However it was also stated the strength of the Ultroloths varied quite a lot. Some were simply much more powerful then others of their kind.

I wish they'd given us both, then.

And I, too, very much wish we'd get Anthraxus again, even though I doubt we ever will.

During the leadup for 5e when the playtest was going on. They did lots of surveys and stuff to ask the community about D&D lore and Monsters. One of the articles was on the Daemons/Yugoloths and they outright polled everyone on which name they would prefer. People voted Yugoloths

People voted wrong, then.

 

[Parmandur]

Oops. If Dwarves end say page 86, that still leaves say a 30-20 or 35-15 page splits between Elves and Dwarves. Which if the Gith stats are at the end of their chapter, suggests maybe 12-13 pages for the Gith.

That suggests that around page 98 the stats would be done and the Beastairy starts at 117, 18 pages split between Gnomes and Halflings.

I reckon the Bestiary will start a few pages earlier, but that sounds about right.

 

[MonsterEnvy]

I wish they'd given us both, then.

And I, too, very much wish we'd get Anthraxus again, even though I doubt we ever will.

Agreed. Though I think we might see Anthraxus again.

 

[Parmandur]

Agreed. Though I think we might see Anthraxus again.

I sure wouldn't wager money against anybody or anything from the 1E MM2 or Fiend Folio making it in.