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And that Monty Python thing.
Fawlty Towers is also acceptable.
And that Monty Python thing.
Fawlty Towers is also acceptable.
The end of all edition wars?
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I'm A Banana
Potassium-Rich
It's getting better.
I think part of the reason it's getting better is that the shiny/scary newness is wearing off. 4e's good and bad points are becoming a bit more crystallized, and people on both sides are beginning to develop more of a shorthand for it. Exactly what is a legit 4e criticism and what is bitter grognardism (and what is a legit 4e praise and what is "OMG! IT'S NEW AND IMPROVED SALT!") is becoming clear.
As that happens things get more logical and less emotional, generally. This means that the Edition Wars are more of a quiet simmer. Lines have been drawn. Sides have been taken. There's not much more at stake. Those who love 4e will have a few years to enjoy it, those who aren't so big on it might hope to change some edges, and those who hate it might hope that their voices are considered when 5e comes along.
I still expect them to be simmering for a while, but right about the time they're over, I'm sure 5e will come down the pipe, so we'll have a whole new series of EW to work out.
I think part of the reason it's getting better is that the shiny/scary newness is wearing off. 4e's good and bad points are becoming a bit more crystallized, and people on both sides are beginning to develop more of a shorthand for it. Exactly what is a legit 4e criticism and what is bitter grognardism (and what is a legit 4e praise and what is "OMG! IT'S NEW AND IMPROVED SALT!") is becoming clear.
As that happens things get more logical and less emotional, generally. This means that the Edition Wars are more of a quiet simmer. Lines have been drawn. Sides have been taken. There's not much more at stake. Those who love 4e will have a few years to enjoy it, those who aren't so big on it might hope to change some edges, and those who hate it might hope that their voices are considered when 5e comes along.
I still expect them to be simmering for a while, but right about the time they're over, I'm sure 5e will come down the pipe, so we'll have a whole new series of EW to work out.
CleverNickName
Limit Break Dancing (He/They)
I remember when people would be flamed and threads would be locked, if someone so much as hinted at the possibility of a "5th Edition." Now people discuss it almost...casually.
We've come a long way indeed.
We've come a long way indeed.
Man in the Funny Hat
Hero
So who needs their mind changed? I find edition war threads useful for my own purposes - determining exactly what it is that _I_ want from D&D and why. I otherwise don't much care what anyone else really wants.
As I've mentioned many times now, I've already found several. Thanks, though. Also, yeah, the nWoD/oWoD divide has been just as bad as D&D edition divides tend to be, though I don't think it has been worse. Also, the big hate of nWoD/oWoD divide has only occurred one time (so far).
IME, the various different editions of the oWoD core books pre-nWoD prompted relatively little fan outrage. I was pretty big into WW games at the time that the second and revised editions of all those books came out. The whining seemed to be confined primarily to one tiny group of people.
More importantly, those divides rarely seemed as hateful as those that accompany the release of new D&D editions. To wit, I can't think of any widely known perjoratives that have been created specifically to refer to players of any given edition of WW games — D&D haters have a veritible lexicon of such jargon from "3etard" to "TETSNBN"
Don't believe me?
TETSNBN... I thought the edition wars was bad, but I certainly didn't expect this...
M.L. Martin
Hero
Are you sure? I only observed the Mage Revised changeover from a difference, but that specific one seemed as nasty, if not nastier. (And with similar insinuations about the design goals, plugging 'Vampire' in for 'WoW'.
)(And have you already gotten rid of all your D&D stuff? There's some BECM stuff I'm looking for and would be willing to trade that copy of DC Heroes 3E I mentioned for.)
jdrakeh
Front Range Warlock
Are you sure? I only observed the Mage Revised changeover from a difference, but that specific one seemed as nasty, if not nastier. (And with similar insinuations about the design goals, plugging 'Vampire' in for 'WoW'.
I remember that transistion but only knew one Mage player who was as violently opposed to it as many people seem to be opposed to new editions of D&D. YMMV, of course, as I don't imagine my own experience to be universal (it is, however, the only experience that I can relate to).
One somewhat odd thing I've noticed about D&D edition changes is that even D&D players who have little or no investment in the current edition of the game (whatever it may be at a given time) seem to get heavily involved with panning its planned replacement.
I have only ever seen this with regard to D&D. Those who opposed new editions of White Wolf games seemed to spring up only from players of the then current edition. Likewise, opponents to new editions of Shadowrun, HERO, etc seemed to come only from the fanbase of the edition then slated for discontinuation.
This business of people who are playing an edition of a game that was discontinued more than two decades ago rallying against the most recent edition of the same game? An edition that they have absolutely no stake in? IME, that seems unique to D&D.
I had actually been meaning to contact you about the DC Heroes thing.
My funds are a little tight right now, not least because I'm incurring some heavy (and completely unexpected) medical bills. Sadly, I've already jettisoned all of my D&D material, save for some old adventure modules which I deem as being suitable for any system.
M.L. Martin
Hero
Ah. I was thinking of the Internet flame wars, which are still spoken of to this day.
I'm not sure it's that weird. D&D is the Everygame; everyone in the hobby plays it, has played it, or somehow takes their cues from it, if only to reject it. You not only get the people who are disappointed in the loss of the current edition, but the 'raped my childhood' crowd and the crowd that sees a missed opportunity for the 800-lb. gorilla of the industry to move in the 'right' direction.
I had actually been meaning to contact you about the DC Heroes thing.
My sympathies. Do you want me to hold onto it for you a little longer, or should I try to find it another home? I'd like to see it somewhere it'll be used or at least cherised, and with both M&M and HERO on my shelves and possessing far more of my mind/heart space, that's not likely to happen.
jdrakeh
Front Range Warlock
Thanks.
Honestly, things are really up in the air right now. I'd go ahead and try to find it another home.
Wisdom Penalty
First Post
I'm onboard.
I, Wisdom Penalty, who have suffered the scorn and scars of the Edition War, mostly due to my lack of wisdom, do hereby relinquish my sword. I shall return to farming in the manner of the great Cicero.
Four bans will do that to a guy.
Even a fat, dumb guy.
Rel...do you hear me? *shakes fist* I shall never give you the reason to make an Opportunity Action [Ban] on me again!
Until 5th Edition, that is.
W-to-the-P
I, Wisdom Penalty, who have suffered the scorn and scars of the Edition War, mostly due to my lack of wisdom, do hereby relinquish my sword. I shall return to farming in the manner of the great Cicero.
Four bans will do that to a guy.
Even a fat, dumb guy.
Rel...do you hear me? *shakes fist* I shall never give you the reason to make an Opportunity Action [Ban] on me again!
Until 5th Edition, that is.
W-to-the-P
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