The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
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Only if:brehobit said:
a. You want the skill you can get MCing, not all skills are available that way.
b. You never want to MC for a 'real' reason.
The MC feats are probably a better value than many of the normal feats but they are still limited enough to not have a big impact on gameplay unless you take the power feats as well. I don't see a big problem here.
brehobit
Explorer
And moreso, does the character know he can't pull it off? He's willing to fight a large minion fight (where his daily will clean up) but only once a day? The only answer I see that works is "yes" because that's how the tactical system works (you don't work to set up a power you can't use). So now there needs be a reason (IMO).ExploderWizard said:
Icky.
JohnBiles said:
I think it's partly a question of having to really think differently about what you really want to do, and why. Why would someone effective with a bow want to wear heavy armor?
If what you really want is a tank that's good with a bow, then that sounds like a fighter with ranger multiclass feats. Having a decent Dex isn't that bad a choice for a fighter anyway with the right melee weapon choice. He won't have all the ranged options of a true ranger, but his attack and damage rolls with the bow aren't inherently any worse, and true rangers are pretty mediocre tanks. You can't be good at everything.
If what you want is basically a skilled archer who happens to wear heavy armor... just stick with the ranger class, take the two armor proficiency feats to get scale mail and be done with it. It doesn't make much mechanical sense if your Dex is 18 or higher, but how is that not easy?
wedgeski
Adventurer
Because, as has been said, big, flashy and difficult maneuvers require an exact set of circumstances to pull off. Everything has to align just right, including not *only* the position of all of his foes, but his own defenses, the grip on his weapon, his opponent's reaction to a feint... any number of things. A fighter doesn't choose the moment to pull these things off, the moment chooses him.brehobit said:
How often do circumstances conspire to make this possible for heroes? Once a day, or thereabouts.
Dragonblade
Adventurer
brehobit said:
Except for all its elegance, 3e multi-classing didn't work. A level 5 fighter/level 5 wizard was pretty much worthless against CR 10 encounters compared to his single classed comrades.
3e multi-classing only really worked when dipping into other classes for just a level or two. And then in some respects it was too good if that dipped class was front loaded.
4e multi-classing doesn't really work well for true hybrid characters (but neither does 3e, IMO), but as a replacement to dipping, I think it works much better than 3e dipping without the brokenness.
I just made a gnome wizard, he wants to boost his sneakyness to get more out of his racial abilities. MCing to thief would give him Thievery and Sneak Attack. Sneak attack does not work on his spells and he does not want to pick locks so he chose Stealth Skill Training instead. And he can still MC to something later if he wants. You get a lot more feats now so it is not an either-or situation.brehobit said:
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